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To: harpseal
Two questions:

How many people in America work in the I/T field? 2.2 Million

How many H1B visa were issued this year? 30,000

This is a straw dog.
34 posted on 08/11/2003 8:03:05 AM PDT by BushCountry (To the last, I will grapple with Democrats. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at Liberals.)
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To: BushCountry
How many H1B visa were issued this year? 30,000

30,000 additional jobs lost since January 1. This does not adress the issue of those guest workers who were already in the USA prior to January 1, 2003. Remember that we are talking about everry one of these 30,000 jobs filed by new foreign guest workers must be sworn to have been unfillable by an American. Now we also have the Gartner group estimate that 10% of those 2.2 million American IT workers will have their jobs offshored over the next 18 months as of may for the estimate. I note June July and august would have more than 30,000 Americans just from the newly unempolyed would be available to take these jobs. This is not counting the ones who are already laid off and you are calling 30,000 new guest workers a straw dog. We are talking in the neigborhood of $2,000,000,000 being lost in payroll in the American economy and 1,000,000,000 being sent to otehr nations and this as I stated does not include the H1b's who arrived prior to January first of this year. Hey its only August and we are not even bringing in the other guest workers who are on L1 visas.

Now if you have been paying attention to all the threads you have posted on you would already know this. So why are you intentionally trying to mislead? Are you a mamber of the DNC or on the staff of some DemocRAT. Or are you just a pro China toady?

By the way one H1b visa holder working in the USA in IT is too many. Given your false number of 30,000 that is 30,000 jobs aqnd we have not even addressed the manufacturing jobs or the offshored jobs which this program supports.

Why do you support an internationalist agenda for GWB when that agenda is clearly harmful for the USA. Why do you obeject to enacting tariffs that would be beneficial to the USA? why do you support Clinton and accuse people of being doom and gloomers when all you ahve to back up your position is lies. If your position is so right maybe you can produce facts to back it up not guesstimates of the future.

I do not think anyone can find any where I engaged in criticism of the tax cuts proposed by GWB. My only complaint is the Congress did not enact all of Bush's proposed cuts. I have also praised the imposition of tariffs on steel. that was a major break with Clinton policy and one we can only hope is implemented in other areas.

37 posted on 08/11/2003 8:35:28 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: BushCountry; harpseal
Two questions:
How many people in America work in the I/T field? 2.2 Million
How many H1B visa were issued this year? 30,000
This is a straw dog.

You have ignored the cummulative effect of the visas and seem to have cited only India's share of those issued visas. They are issued for six years each, and have been accumulating under increasing caps:

1) In the U.S. population of 2 million programmers, 94,000 are unemployed and 400,000-500,000 are H1B visa holders.

2) H1B visas granted in 2001 were 163,000 and in 2002 were 79,100 - against a cap of 195,000 (the cap was 65,000 in 1998 and 115,000 in 1999-2000). Unless Congress extends it, the limit will revert to 65,000 in 2004

3) There were 342,000 H1B visa extensions granted which aren't counted under the caps)

4) In addition the L-1 Visa Program totaled 57,200 in 2002.

(*Source: George F McClure of IEEE?s Workforce Policy Committee, quoting US Bureau of Labor Statistics)

39 posted on 08/11/2003 9:07:43 AM PDT by Starwind
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To: BushCountry
According to the H1B info web site:

In March 2003, the American Engineering Association reported that the U.S. high-tech sector lost 560,000 jobs--a 10 percent decline--between January 2001 and December 2002. During the same period, companies sponsored more than this number of high-tech workers on H-1B and other temporary visas.

The Immigration Act of 1990 established an annual quota of 65,000 H-1B visas. The stated purpose was to bring "the best and the brightest" to American shores. This number of available visas became a fixed requirement under the World Trade Agreement.

http://www.h1b.info/

Click on "about H1B

40 posted on 08/11/2003 9:42:00 AM PDT by thtr
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To: BushCountry
Its way more then IT. XRAYS and MRI techs are going to India. backoffice insurance operations, Goldman Sachs is sending 1000s of financial service workers, customer support call centers. Basically any job that can be done by someone sitting in front of a computer screen.

So its way more then 2.2 million. The threads with articles are all here on FR. Start reading.

Bush won the last election by 537 votes, take a look at the job loss figures every month, last month it was 44,000. Wake up.
56 posted on 08/11/2003 10:46:14 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: BushCountry
....you forgot to figure in the L1 visas which our fearless leader just signed into law, putting MORE Americans out of work.
69 posted on 08/11/2003 12:23:25 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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