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Yes, Virginia, there is a religious war (Pat Buchanan on Episcopalian gay bishop)
townhall.com ^ | Aug. 10, 03 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 08/10/2003 10:18:23 AM PDT by churchillbuff

Yes, Virginia, there is a religious war Pat Buchanan

August 10, 2003

He may be beloved of progressives everywhere, but the Rev. V. Gene Robinson, now bishop-elect of the Episcopal Church of New Hampshire, is a flaming fraud.

Insensitive, you say? Consider his conduct. Fifteen years ago, Robinson dissolved his marriage, dumped his wife, abandoned his two little girls and went off to shack up. He thus violated his marriage vows, flouted the teachings of the Anglican faith he was ordained to uphold and entered into a sinful liaison his church has always taught was perverted.

Having failed to conform his life to scriptural command, Robinson now demands that Scripture be reinterpreted to conform to his deviant life style. To see Robinson elevated to bishop is to be reminded that in the French Revolution, the Paris mob used the high altar at Notre Dame Cathedral to canonize the town tramp as their Goddess of Reason.

Now, with massive moral arrogance, Robinson protests that if the Episcopal faithful do not accept him as a consecrated bishop, they -- not he -- will have broken communion and be responsible for dividing the church.

Faithless to every vow he ever made, this impious cleric now proclaims undying faith to boyfriend Mark Andrew. My advice to Mark: Have his eminence fitted with one of those ankle bracelets that lets you know where the suspect is every moment of the day.

Robinson is being portrayed in the prestige press as a man of moral courage. But a man of moral courage would have stayed with his family, kept his vows, fought his temptations. Robinson ditched his family, dishonored his vows and disgraced himself. He should have been defrocked and excommunicated, not elevated to bishop.

As for the Episcopal faithful, they have little choice but to break communion. For if Robinson is morally qualified to be bishop, then Scripture is wrong. If Scripture is right, Robinson is a reprobate. You cannot teach it both ways. Either homosexual acts are immoral or the Episcopal Church has been teaching homophobia 600 years.

To witness the moral confusion at the Minneapolis convention of the American Episcopal Church is to understand which way the wind is blowing. Gay rights has become the civil rights cause du jour of our cultural elite, and politicians -- those most reliable of weather vanes -- are signaling recognition of the new correlation of forces.

Asked his own views on the morality of homosexuality, the president himself bobbed and weaved, saying, "we are all sinners" and should "respect each individual."

When Rep. Janice Schakowsky railed that he had just called gays sinners and should apologize, the White House meekly retorted that President Bush "doesn't believe in casting stones. He believes we ought to treat one another with dignity and respect."

In the Big Tent, the only mortal sin is being judgmental.

In his answer, however, the president had carefully added, "I think a marriage is between a man and a woman, and I think we ought to codify that."

This response was 100 percent political. An amendment to the U.S. Constitution to restrict marriage to a man and a woman is a wedge issue that can rip the Democratic Party apart. As long as President Bush sticks to his Briefing Book, he holds the commanding heights in what is likely to be the fiercest battle of the Culture War in 2004.

The Vatican, however, seeing the movement gaining ground, has issued a document of moral clarity calling civil unions "gravely immoral" and homosexual acts "deviant," and urging Christian leaders to oppose homosexual marriages and adoptions.

"There are absolutely no grounds for considering homosexual unions to be in any way similar or even remotely analogous to God's plan for marriage and family," declared the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Roman Church's watchdog of orthodoxy. Its 12-page guide, approved by John Paul II, states, "Marriage is holy, while homosexual acts go against the natural moral law."

With the Episcopal Church heading for schism, the Supreme Court discovering sodomy to be a constitutional right, President Bush maneuvering to back an amendment outlawing gay marriage, and the Pope denouncing homosexual unions as immoral and homosexual acts as deviant, there's no way this issue can be kept out of the campaign of 2004. Nor should it be.

But it does reveal a painful truth. America is again a house divided. The "don't ask, don't tell" moral community in which we grew up has dissolved irrevocably. Christianity, dying in Europe, is under siege in America. A paganism that holds homosexual unions to be "sacramental" -- the Rev. Robinson's term -- is ascending.

The sad sundered Episcopal Church is a mirror for America.

©2003 Creators Syndicate, Inc.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: albigensianheresy; apostasy; catharism; christianity; culturewar; episcopal; fallout; gaia; homosexualagenda; homosexualbishop; homosexuality; lavendermafia; patbuchanan; religiouswar
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Say it, Pat!
1 posted on 08/10/2003 10:18:23 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
Queer Eye Bump
2 posted on 08/10/2003 10:22:29 AM PDT by duckman
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To: churchillbuff
"There are absolutely no grounds for considering homosexual unions to be in any way similar or even remotely analogous to God's plan for marriage and family," "Marriage is holy, while homosexual acts go against the natural moral law."

They got that 100% right.
3 posted on 08/10/2003 10:30:03 AM PDT by FreeRep (Proud to be American - John 3:16)
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To: churchillbuff
Wow, I can't stand Pat, but for once he made some sense.
4 posted on 08/10/2003 10:30:10 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: churchillbuff; All
There has been a long and often close relationship between
the Anglican and Catholic Churches. In certain situations
there remains a mutual recognition of the validity of key
doctrines, liturgies, and practices. And the Catholic
Church continues to hold the faith and moral teachings as
taught by the Apostles.

In 1980 the Holy See, in response to requests from priests
and laity of the Episcopal Church who were seeking full
communion with the Catholic Church, created a Pastoral
Provision to provide them with special pastoral attention.
It also authorized the establishment of personal parishes
in dioceses of the United States in response to the request
of former faithful of the Episcopal Church in which they
may retain certain liturgical elements proper to the
Anglican tradition. This Anglican Use liturgy uses the
Book of Common Prayer (with minor updates) for the Mass.
So there is no need to lose the liturgy Anglicans are
familiar with. This Mass is valid for all Catholics as well.

Under the Provision the ordination of married Episcopal
priests was made possible as well. Since 1983, close to 100
former Episcopal ministers have been ordained for priestly
ministry in Catholic dioceses of the United States; several
AU parishes have been established and the Book of Divine
Worship has been authorized.

Resources for those interested in the Catholic faith:

Catholic Answers
www.catholic.com
A superb site for clearing away the myths propagated by too many.
Offers free on-line library that examines all the major issues,
free on-line archive of over 1,500 hours of radio/audio material,
plus magazines, books, pamphlets, tracts, videos, and more.

Coming Home Network
www.chnetwork.org
Provides fellowship, encouragement and support for Protestant
pastors and laymen who are somewhere along the journey or
have already been received into the Catholic Church.

Biblical Evidence for Catholicism
www.biblicalcatholic.com
Dave Armstrong's monster site. Eclectic, fun, exhaustingly
detailed, personal, moving, and more.

Resources for those interested in the Anglican Use rite:

Our Lady of the Atonement Parish, San Antonio, TX
Our Lady of Walsingham Parish, Houston, TX
St. Mary the Virgin Parish, Arlington, TX
St. Thomas More Parish Fort Worth, TX
St. Athanasius Congregation, Boston, MA
Church of the Good Shepherd Parish, Columbia, SC
St. Margaret of Scotland Parish, Austin, TX
St. Anselm of Canterbury Catholic Mission, Corpus Christi, TX
Atlanta Area AU Catholic Laity, Dunwoody, GA
California AU Catholic Laity, St. Francis of Assisi Church, La Quinta, CA

Yahoo Discussion Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AnglicanUse/

And our own Sockmonkey and B-Chan are Anglican Use converts.
They have generously made themselves available for answering
questions via FreepMail.

May the Word be a lamp unto your feet and a light unto your path.
5 posted on 08/10/2003 10:33:54 AM PDT by polemikos (Ecce Agnus Dei)
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To: duckman
An amendment to the U.S. Constitution to restrict marriage to a man and a woman is a wedge issue that can rip the Democratic Party apart.

This is exactly right. This is a moral issue that can split the democrat party and make them the effing pariahs that they should be. I do not however, share Pat's belief that the issue is "split" - polls show overwhelmingly that people have had enough and that they are against gay marraige.

6 posted on 08/10/2003 10:37:32 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space for rent)
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To: Drango
for once he made some sense.

Hey, the man makes sense more often than not. Maybe you're just not listening with an open mind.

7 posted on 08/10/2003 10:38:20 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: KC_Conspirator
Go Pat Go!
8 posted on 08/10/2003 10:38:42 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
Go Pat Go!

10 posted on 08/10/2003 10:43:17 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: churchillbuff
I rarely agree with Rev. Pat, but for once, He's hit the head squarely with me.

Oh, and Bump!

11 posted on 08/10/2003 10:45:06 AM PDT by Maigrey (Screen Lickin' Dose Diva and d(ang) proud of it!)
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To: churchillbuff
bump bump
12 posted on 08/10/2003 10:45:27 AM PDT by lainie
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To: polemikos
Thanks for a glimpse of light. :-)
13 posted on 08/10/2003 10:46:33 AM PDT by Kudsman
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To: trad_anglican
You're the ping guy for the Episcopal list, right? I thought you would like to see this.
14 posted on 08/10/2003 10:49:12 AM PDT by Maigrey (Screen Lickin' Dose Diva and d(ang) proud of it!)
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To: churchillbuff
Pat! You said it right! I'm delighted you finally found an issue I agree with you about. As for the dissulution of the Anglican Church, it's all part of Lenin's basic plan--to undermine the morality and culture of America. The problem is, it's working well.
15 posted on 08/10/2003 11:04:18 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: Maigrey
I rarely agree with Rev. Pat, but for once . . .

Pat isn't a Reverand. He is a consistent social conservative and a vocal practicing Catholic.

It's a pity you don't know when you're reading Buchanan or Robinson. it would lend so much more more to your argument.

Disclaimer: I am not a Catholic and I don't play one on TV.

16 posted on 08/10/2003 11:14:27 AM PDT by jokar ( ELECT McClintock * * * * * * * https://www.tommcclintock.com/)
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To: churchillbuff
"As for the Episcopal faithful, they have little choice but to break communion. For if Robinson is morally qualified to be bishop, then Scripture is wrong. If Scripture is right, Robinson is a reprobate. You cannot teach it both ways."

The vote says more about those voting than it does about the 'reprobate'. Time for a 'protestant' revolt among the Episcopal faithful.

Pat hits another one out. The more one reads what Pat actually says the closer we will be to the truth.

17 posted on 08/10/2003 11:21:53 AM PDT by ex-snook (American jobs need BALANCED Trade. We buy from you. You buy from us.)
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To: polemikos
There has been a long and often close relationship between the Anglican and Catholic Churches.

I have to say that this close relationship between the Anglican Church is not long, but a fairly recent development. It began with the Oxford Movement in England in 1833. There was great resistance in the Anglican Communion to this reforming of religious practice and doctrine to follow that of the Catholic Church.

The Episcopal Church of the USA used to be have the official name of the Protestant Episcopal Church. Dropping the Protestant qualifier didn't happen until the last half of the 20th century. Morning prayer used to be the most typical form of Sunday worship. Now it is Holy Communion, but that is a change that happened only within the last 50 years.

I don't know many Episcopalians who think of themselves as Anglo-Catholics, althouth there are certainly some. And there has been a trend in the chuch to move in a Catholic direction in many respects. But certainly the ordination of women is not part of this tendency.

18 posted on 08/10/2003 11:25:47 AM PDT by stripes1776
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To: stripes1776
I have to say that this close relationship between the Anglican Church is not long, but a fairly recent development.

I agree with your comments about the significance of the Anglican Movement - John Henry Newman being one of its leading lights. By "long relationship" I mean that the Catholic Church and the Church of England were one, until 1534 when Henry VIII split off. Even afterwards, the CoE held that it was Catholic. However, shortly after Henry's death, Protestant elements swept into the Anglican faith. There have been periodic attempts to bring the Anglican Church and the Catholic Church back into communion, but the best that can be said is that these efforts were only partially successful. But there have always been elements within the Anglican Communion understanding the need to be Catholic.
19 posted on 08/10/2003 11:53:37 AM PDT by polemikos (Ecce Agnus Dei)
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To: jokar
'Scuse me for writing a heretical statement, oh worship!

I was meaning it in a reverence sense, but since you had to me so arrogant in your assessment, let me clarify for you.

I rearely agree with Pat Robertson, who has attended Seminary, but for once, we are in agreement.

Better? Happy I made the statement factually correct?

20 posted on 08/10/2003 12:26:14 PM PDT by Maigrey (Screen Lickin' Dose Diva and d(ang) proud of it!)
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