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Air France Co-Pilot Is Accused of Making Remark About Bomb
The New York Times ^ | August 10, 2003 | ROBERT D. McFADDEN

Posted on 08/10/2003 9:29:33 AM PDT by the_greatest_country_ever

Air France Co-Pilot Is Accused of Making Remark About Bomb

The co-pilot of Air France's late flight to Paris was arrested at Kennedy International Airport on Friday after making a remark about having a bomb in his shoe at a security checkpoint, officials said. No bomb was found, but he was charged with two felonies, the flight was canceled and 353 passengers were grounded overnight. It may have been a joke or an exasperated response to elaborate security requirements, investigators and witnesses said, but the comment that the pilot, Philippe H. Riviere, 51, is accused of making raised a red flag for the screeners, who are under orders to tolerate no threatening remarks, even those made in jest.
Mr. Riviere was taken into custody by the Port Authority police, searched and charged with falsely reporting a threat in the first and second degrees, which carry prison terms of seven and four years, respectively, said Patrick Clark, a spokesman for the Queens District Attorney, Richard A. Brown. Mr. Riviere was to be arraigned last night in Criminal Court, in Queens.

"It's not very often that you find a co-pilot making such inappropriate comments," said Lauren Stover, a spokeswoman for the Transportation Security Administration, the agency in charge of screening at the nation's major airports. "We have zero tolerance for those kinds of comments."
Shoes have been among the items most screened since the case of Richard C. Reid, the British citizen who was sentenced last January to life in prison for trying to ignite bombs hidden in the soles of his high-top sneakers on a flight from Paris to Miami on Dec. 22, 2001. Mr. Riviere, the co-pilot of Air France Flight 009, scheduled to depart for Paris at 11 p.m. Friday, arrived about 9:30 p.m. at the security checkpoint. There were differing accounts of what happened there.

"He balked at removing his shoes" for inspection, one investigator said, "and is alleged to have said, `I have a bomb in my shoe.´ " Almost simultaneously, the investigator said, the metal detector sounded an alarm. A passenger who witnessed the incident told NY1 News, however, that the pilot appeared to be making a joke. "Apparently one of the co-pilots got testy at the security and didn't like getting searched so much, and said, `Well, what do you think, I have a bomb on me?´"

In any case, the screeners summoned airport police, and Mr. Riviere was searched, said Tony Ciavolella, speaking for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which operates the airport.

In the meantime, Flight 009 was canceled, and the plane, a Boeing 747, was searched. No bomb was found.

Jim Faulkner, a spokesman for Air France, said he had no information on Mr. Riviere's record. He said the airline had not put up the passengers overnight. Many stayed at the airport and flew out about 10:30 a.m. yesterday. "We are extremely sorry for the inconvenience to our passengers," he said. "The most important thing for us was getting them safely to their destination."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airfrance; airlinesecurity; copilot; terrorism
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Trans Oceanic InterGlobal PanWorld Airways flight 484 (Nasdaq Symbol TOIGPW) was forced to make an emergency landing after a flight attendant overheard a man repeatedly ask his accomplice for the "bomb". After a six hour search delay the flight continued on without incident, the couple remanded in prison on felony charges. The reality was that the couple was returning from a skiing vacation, the guy's lips were severely chapped and was only asking for the (lip) balm.

Not a true story but I can see how this might very well happen. Just like that family that was yanked off a flight to Hawaii after their seemingly harmless yet not very bright teenage son placed a taunting note to baggage handlers in his luggage saying something like "Theres NO F**king Bomb in here so f**k You". Remember to just ask for the chapstick.

1 posted on 08/10/2003 9:29:34 AM PDT by the_greatest_country_ever
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To: the_greatest_country_ever
Send him to Gitmo for about a year. Maybe then the Frogs will get the idea that we're serious about this.
2 posted on 08/10/2003 9:31:51 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: the_greatest_country_ever
I am sick and tired of hearing pilots whine about the "tough security check" they have to go through. This is only based on their belief that they deserve extra rights.

There is already one case on record of a commerical Air Egypt pilot hijacking and crashing his own aircraft into the water off Massachusetts.

The next 9/11 type hijack will likely be by one of the pilots, they also need to be scrutinized.

3 posted on 08/10/2003 9:36:13 AM PDT by rageaholic
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To: the_greatest_country_ever
Too stupid to know and follow the rules, then he's too stupid to be flying. If anyone if too stupid to know thay they shouldn't make jokes about bombs, then I see no problem with them not flying either. Erring on the side of caution is something our citizenry can afford to do for security.
4 posted on 08/10/2003 9:44:22 AM PDT by Ruth A.
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To: rageaholic
You're so right. I have two pilot friends and they are DEFINITELY for increased scrutiny of pilots, no matter how time-intensive.

This incident, coming from a Frog pilot for "Air Fume`" does not help his credibility.
5 posted on 08/10/2003 9:46:20 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: the_greatest_country_ever
Quite right.

Read above for yet more cheerleeders of the current insanity at airports. I've driven on 3 trips this year already that I likely would have flown on if there still existed such a thing as 'common sense' in this country.

I don't think it's even safe for me to be in an airport because I simply will no longer suffer fools silently.

The real kicker is that even though I refuse to support this crap with my discretionary spending, I still have to support it with my taxes through givaways to airlines that I think should just fail if they can't at least argue for some sanity.

6 posted on 08/10/2003 10:01:56 AM PDT by zeugma (Hate pop-up ads? Here's the fix: http://www.mozilla.org/ Now Version 1.4!)
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To: zeugma
Correct. Amazing, isn't it?
7 posted on 08/10/2003 10:21:39 AM PDT by jammer
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To: rageaholic
For half my life, I have listened to people, especially my elders, wonder aloud at the incomprehensibility of the Jews being marched into the gas chambers and not fighting against their certain fate tooth and nail, now I understand.
8 posted on 08/10/2003 10:26:43 AM PDT by Old Professer
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To: rageaholic
Right on, pilots should not have privileges we are denied, nor should they be allowed to fly the plane or carry on handguns when we all cannot. "Sarcasim off"
10 posted on 08/10/2003 11:18:05 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Nettie
Il est un idiot? Bien sûr. Un criminel? Peut-être, mais je pense il est seulement un comédien mauvais.
Un terroriste? Non.
11 posted on 08/10/2003 11:22:22 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Old Professer
For half my life, I have listened to people, especially my elders, wonder aloud at the incomprehensibility of the Jews being marched into the gas chambers and not fighting against their certain fate tooth and nail, now I understand.

A truly stupid and insulting analogy. I'm surprised at you.

12 posted on 08/10/2003 11:24:01 AM PDT by sinkspur (Get a dog. He'll change your life!)
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To: sinkspur
It is a perfectly apt analogy for the mindset that has crept in here; sorry you feel insulted.
13 posted on 08/10/2003 11:36:59 AM PDT by Old Professer
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To: the_greatest_country_ever
"Felony comments." Surreal.
14 posted on 08/10/2003 11:43:35 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Old Professer
It is a perfectly apt analogy for the mindset that has crept in here; sorry you feel insulted.

I don't feel insulted at all. But to compare Jews being herded into death camps at the point of a gun to people VOLUNTARILY boarding aircraft and having to undergo insignificant (and they are insignificant, as I undergo them three or four times a month) security screenings is just ludicrous.

And you know it.

15 posted on 08/10/2003 11:44:42 AM PDT by sinkspur (Get a dog. He'll change your life!)
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To: zeugma
IF it actually made any of us safer, that would be one thing. But it is a bunch of smoke and mirrors designed by politicians, so that they can tell the folks back home that they're "doing something." The only real measure that will improve security on the planes? Pilots with guns. And that is the measure the Feds are dragging their feet on.

I fly very frequently. I put up with removing my shoes every time I hop on a plane, no longer being able to fly with only a carry-on (because you can't bring many toiletries anymore: no aerosols (sometimes--depends upon the guard), no tweezers, etc.). I actually had to go through an extra security check because there were bobby pins in a pocket of my suitcase.

16 posted on 08/10/2003 11:50:23 AM PDT by austinTparty
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To: zeugma
There was a US airline pilot recently arrested because he mentioned to a TSA person that there was a hatchet in the flight cockpit he could use to chop off his head.

The speech restrictions on pilots are baffling and orwellian. The irony that, at least on paper, it is theoretically possible for a pilot to carry a gun makes it even more insane.

The added bonus of learning that there is indeed a hatchet in the cockpit (for use in case of fire) makes this even more surreal.



17 posted on 08/10/2003 11:57:42 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Old Professer
"For half my life, I have listened to people, especially my elders, wonder aloud at the incomprehensibility of the Jews being marched into the gas chambers and not fighting against their certain fate tooth and nail, now I understand."

With the full machinery of the state against you, it is very hard to do more than passively (i.e. boycott) resist, and efforts toward active resistance of the most trivial sort (words) result in immediate arrest.
18 posted on 08/10/2003 11:59:03 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: rageaholic
I am sick and tired of hearing pilots whine about the "tough security check" they have to go through. This is only based on their belief that they deserve extra rights.

There is already one case on record of a commerical Air Egypt pilot hijacking and crashing his own aircraft into the water off Massachusetts.

What? Are all you folks nuts?

Frog or no, any time spent harassing pilots, and especially making them take off their shoes is a complete waste. Unless this guy was wearing a turban and sporting an unkempt beard, he is absolutely no threat to anyone. The time spent "investigating" such people is the threat.

Your reference to the Egyptian pilot is absurd. He didn't have a bomb with him, or anything in his shoes, so searching him or others who would be like him will never turn up anything. But for this we have a legion of imbeciles harassing old women here in the US. If this make you feel safer then you probably need serious psyhcological help.

ML/NJ

19 posted on 08/10/2003 12:07:23 PM PDT by ml/nj
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