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1 posted on 08/09/2003 3:39:59 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: harpseal; FITZ
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2 posted on 08/09/2003 3:40:24 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
I was kind of proud of those folks, Burkett says now, sitting at his kitchen table, hunched over a road atlas opened to a map of Mexico. Theyre doing for $8 a day what we were doing in Georgia for $11 an hour.

It all sounds so perfect ---send jobs to Mexico and Mexicans at least would have improved lives ---but it didn't work out that way. The more maquilas moved into Mexico, the more millions of unemployed, indigent Mexicans packed up and left to come to the USA. And for all Fox did to promote more immigration yet ---- the voters of Mexico just made a sharp left turn at the polls and rejected his politial party.

3 posted on 08/09/2003 3:47:03 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Willie Green
$11 an hour?

What do these spoiled Merkin workers want? Running water? Central heat? Electricity???!!!

Labor is just another raw material to exploit - DAMMIT!

4 posted on 08/09/2003 3:53:51 PM PDT by StatesEnemy
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To: Willie Green
Many of the factory jobs here are relatively unskilled, tapping a labor force of which nearly half lack a high school diploma.

it's super easy to blame it all on chicom/wto/globalists/elvis, but in the 21st century unskilled labourers without HS diplomas should stop thinking anyone owes them a job.

5 posted on 08/09/2003 3:58:09 PM PDT by CanadianFella
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To: Willie Green
Now Main Street's whitewashed windows and vacant stores
Seems like there ain't nobody wants to come down here no more
They're closing down the textile mill across the railroad tracks
Foreman says these jobs are going boys and they ain't coming back to your hometown
Your hometown
Your hometown
Your hometown

Bruce Springsteen's "My Hometown"

I grew up on the side of the road in North Carolina. When I was a kid the cotton mill, specifically Cannon Mills, was king. About 10 days ago Pillowtex, the successor to Cannon, shut down its plant in Kannapolis, and laid off around 4,000 workers (about 6,000 statewide).

These jobs are going boys (and girls) and they ain't coming back.

6 posted on 08/09/2003 4:00:46 PM PDT by JoeFromCA
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To: Willie Green
A Catholic priest was ushered in and laborers gathered as he solemnly blessed the machinery with holy water. Then the production line wailed back to life.

Why do you suppose this tidbit of information was added to the article from a newspaper in Georgia?

7 posted on 08/09/2003 4:01:03 PM PDT by independentmind
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To: Willie Green
Here is a rant from an old thread, covers this type of situation I believe...

It certainly proves capitalism works, but my argument is, what are we supposed to do now? If we aren’t making things at a salable cost rate, what are WE supposed to manufacture for ourselves? Where does OUR employment come from?

IF it costs too much to run a company here that can make an item at a profit because of overseas competition, what am I supposed to produce? And how am I supposed to pay people to work for me if all my costs are eaten up because of payroll that while 1/2 the American norm, it is still 10X the World standard wage?

That is what I see is going on here in America. We are letting in competition who did not pay for the right to do business in America or who did not pay for the right to do business with corporations that depend upon the American market.

Know what else burns my buttons?? THEY didn’t even invent these new technologies that made us prosperous in the first place, nor did they invest in all the new machines or processes that took years and millions to develop!

And we just went over there, set up OUR machines, sent in OUR people to teach them how, they pay them slave wages compared to ours, put ourselves out of business all in the name of competition to wipe us out of the market!! We are selling them the rope to hang us, and we are making the rope ourselves!

Where do certain materials come from? Isn’t it true that we cannot just mine a hole in the ground to get Bauxite? How about Copper? Aren’t we supposed to go to a particular spot where we know there is Copper? Now, if someone wanted to deny us Copper, they would be starting a war if they cut us off, or they would be causing undue influence on our way of life if they controlled it and raised its prices above that which we pay.

Now, that same logic applies to industry. Any industry. If we cannot make a bearing in a cost effective way in this world, where is the logic to send the means and knowledge to make bearings to another country where competition does not exist?

We are sending away the means to produce the most basic materials we use in industry! This is not about singular items like sneakers or IT programmers; it is about entire means of creating anything.

The machines we send over to these countries are used to create other machines. These new machines are going to, if not already, be used to create the competition for our remaining industrial goods, to be operated at slave wages by people who did not have to be trained in high tech skills to operate, but only told when to press a button, thanks to Computer Controlled Machining.

We are not sending over looms and combines to people to allow them to live better, we are sending over complex CNC machines and devices that are used in Aerospace, Automotive, and computer industries, and they are being setup by us, used by them, and they are not worried about profit in making their business run, they have governments run their businesses, and that means profit is not the motive! At least not where the operation of the company is concerned!

What product am I going to make that cannot be reverse engineered by a geek with a set of verniers and a tape measure and calipers and shadowgraph??

Why in God's name is this so hard to see for some people??

Let's see...

We design and build a machine capable of cutting steel, we design and build a product using that previous machine, and we mass produce it, make a profit from it, only to sell the metal cutting tools and production tools and the technologies necessary to repeat the previous processes to a country that does not engage in free market competition because the government props up the business and prevents it from operating at a loss...and you say we can compete against that?

Humans are human. They can be educated to run complex machines. If we design through our own efforts new technologies that give us great advances that cause our people to advance in technology and culture, what in the world are we doing giving away these technologies to other countries that are our ideological enemies?

WE spent the money to advance these technologies, to develop it, to debug it, using monies from profits, not government, losing our shirts in the process in a capitalist society where the fittest survive only to give it away to a communist nation that pays its workers of these new companies in rice bowls? And you say that is what we are able to compete against?

I got a news flash for you: My friend from High School runs a small machine shop; He just had a new machine put in. When the guy came to install it, he told him of his recent trip to China to install a new machine there. Once the machine was leveled and wired in, they brought down the worker for this machine...removed his shackles and handcuffs...did you get that? He was hand cuffed; he was shackled, barefoot, and brought out of is cell to run the new 4 axis miller.

We cannot compete against this type of manufacturing. This is not a backward country trying to use a crude lathe to make cheaper table leg. This is an industrial giant using computer controlled machines where all a person has to know is what button to push and when thanks to developments in CNC technology. And they pay them in rice bowls, and when he makes a mistake they make a new part until they fill the quota for good parts because they can afford the training curve to run the machine right to eliminate errors.

Socialist Countries propping up their companies is NOT FREE TRADE; neither is American Companies moving off shore, providing the means and personnel to run these companies that formerly employed Americans Capitalism, either!

Not one of these countries developed these technologies themselves, not one of them spent the money to do the research and development to achieve the high quality that these products are now, and not one of these countries started these companies with an individual who is competing solely on Free Market Capitalist Ideals!!

This isn't about whining, it is about giving away the company store to those who are trying to destroy us economically!! It is about giving away the means and technology to compete against ourselves!! That is not sane!!

We are not talking about an individual or group of individuals starting up their own little version of Microsoft in the open market, we are talking about Socialist Governments using Government funds to support all the waste and error that would bankrupt any other company by buying all the machinery from us, the instructions on how to use it coming from us, and then demanding that we use this new company to provide a product, thereby depriving an American competitor a chance to make the product at a cheaper price only they cant BECAUSE THESE FOREIGN COMPANIES ARE USING SLAVE LABOR!!

Capitalist companies cannot compete against that because we are liable for our losses in manufacturing through human error, we use our own money not the governments, and when we go under, it is our tough luck.

Not so in China or Malaysia or Thailand or India or Mexico....

And there is the rub. This guy saw his companies old machines down there running. This Mexican who set up business didnt design these machines, they didnt develop the machines, they bought them lock, stock, and barrel.

8 posted on 08/09/2003 4:07:44 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: Willie Green
“But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point.

In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade.”

Karl Marx, “On the Question of Free Trade” – Jan 9, 184
12 posted on 08/09/2003 4:23:49 PM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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Willie, please give us your solution for the problems we are facing. Please be very specific.
19 posted on 08/09/2003 5:25:10 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: Willie Green
All I can say is optimism is a very lagging indicator of a recovery. Articles like this are an indicator that we are at or near the bottom of the current economic cycle.

We've been through this before in the early 90's

28 posted on 08/09/2003 6:47:44 PM PDT by delapaz
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To: Willie Green; clamper1797; sarcasm; BrooklynGOP; A. Pole; Zorrito; GiovannaNicoletta; Caipirabob; ..
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on or off let me know
31 posted on 08/09/2003 7:22:19 PM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Willie Green
When our unemployment is low, I can understand why we allow jobs to go to other countries. Now, how do we undo all these agreements. NAFTA - 1993?

I wonder if the new tax package that adds income taxes to Americans working abroad is intended to punish those who take their companies out of the country.

excerpts from another article>>
"a 1999 law sponsored by the Senate opened purchases to foreign competition."

" chief congressional proponent[Duncan Hunter, California Republican] of expanding the "Buy America" law said the Pentagon's fears that it would require a program overhaul are unfounded."


32 posted on 08/10/2003 1:50:12 AM PDT by Susannah (Over 200 people murdered in L. A.County-first 5 mos. of 2003 & NONE were fighting Iraq!!)
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To: Willie Green
Lewis Burkett knows the answer: Life is a bitch, then you die!
37 posted on 08/10/2003 8:20:01 AM PDT by verity
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To: Willie Green
Theres a problem, though. Both of the earlier buildings, and several others around town, are sitting idle.

Intermetro closed in January 2002, laying off the last 112 people from a payroll that had once been near 200.

Interesting.

Intermetro (in Douglas, Ga) is in this list of Superfund sites.

I wonder what that is about? Was the health of folks in the area endangered?

Anybody know?

Georgia Superfund Sites -

DOUGLAS [GA]
INTERMETRO INDUSTRIES CORP
1500 POPE DRIVE
40 posted on 08/10/2003 10:06:09 AM PDT by syriacus (Schumer belongs to a group that excludes women from full membership.)
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To: Willie Green
Plenty of jobs would be unlikely to be transported out of the country. Some of them don't even require a college degree.

Medical doctors, optometrists, auto mechanics, receptionists, dental hygienists, plumbers, electricians, etc, etc, etc , are usually in the same country as their clients/patients/customers.

My guess is that Democrats are worried that, if US factories lose work, then US unions will lose members. (I realize this article mentions that Intermetro workers were not unionized). Or maybe the Democrats are hoping to convince workers that unionizing will save their jobs.

Fewer factory jobs = Fewer unions = Less money and influence for Democrats

The workers can get other jobs.
But the Democrats can't afford to lose their cash cow.

41 posted on 08/10/2003 10:10:19 AM PDT by syriacus (Schumer belongs to a group that excludes women from full membership.)
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To: Willie Green
bump
65 posted on 08/10/2003 8:06:18 PM PDT by foreverfree
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