Posted on 08/09/2003 2:18:40 PM PDT by Hal1950
Arnold Schwarzenegger Would Get 25% of the Vote If Californians Voted Today
California voters would remove Governor Gray Davis from office and replace him with Arnold Schwarzenegger by a 19 percentage-point margin if the election were held today, according to a TIME/CNN Poll.
Schwarzenegger leads Lt. Governor Cruz Bustamanate, his closest competitor, by a 25%-to-15% margin. Trailing were State Sen. Tom McClintock (9%), former candidate for governor Bill Simon (7%) and (tied with 4%) Hustler publisher Larry Flynt, columnist Arianna Huffington, and former Major League Baseball commissioner Peter Ueberroth, U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein beat Schwarzenegger to replace Davis, 22 percent to 20 percent, if she had been a candidate, according to to TIME/CNN survey.
But California voters are not convinced that the Austrian-born action hero is capable of governing the state: 45% think he is, but many (55%) think he isn't capable (39%) or are unsure (16%). Schwarzenegger is not perceived as falling into any ideological camp: more see him as "moderate" (40%) than either conservative (23%) or "liberal" (19%).
The TIME/CNN Poll, conducted Aug. 8, surveyed 508 registered California voters by telephone. The margin of error is +/- 4.3%.
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"Abortion" is generally a shorthand for social conservative issues, of which there are many. Usually pro-aborts are also pro-stem cell, pro-gay, etc. Abortion itself has a range of issues, from partial-birth, which Arnold opposes, to public funding, protesters' rights, women's right-to-know, parental notification, Choose Life license plates. It is disingenuous to say that social issues, or fiscal issues, or even wide-ranging, important things like "abortion" or "taxes" or "guns" are just one issue. They are major cornerstones of Republicanism, not peripheral Republican issues like ANWR, which is part of an overall energy policy, which in total doesn't begin to compare to the aforementioned trio.
If Simon couldn't win against Davis when Davis was very beatable, no other conservative stands a chance.
Again, I think you're being willfully disingenuous. You know as well as I that if Simon had run a half-way decent campaign he would currently be governor. He squandered a great opportunity, but he didn't lose because he was a conservative. In addition, the winner in this election doesn't even need 50%, or the 46% (ish) Gray Davis got in 2002. Thirty percent will win, probably less, maybe much less.
I was wondering about that; I'm glad you like it! I was a little worried about being responsible if you didn't . . . LOL
If Arnie dropped out, many of his votes would go to Bustamante or, more likely, to no one. I have a feeling that much of Arnold's support will come from 20-somethings who have never voted and would not make the effort to go vote for someone else.
Are you delusional? The courts would force him to pay for them. Dont forget your dealing with the Ninth Circuit of the Federal Court, the most liberal appelate court in the US.
Oh, gee, you're right . . . and McClintock got 45% last time around . . . that means there's only 6% of the vote up for grabs! /sarcasm
That was then, this is now. Bustamante is at 15%, McClintock at 9%. If McClintock picked up Simon's support he's be at 16%, in second place. Will Simon stay in? Can McClintock move from 9 to 20+? That remains to be seen.
It would have been clearer if they had not added those that think he is not (39%) and those unsure (16%) together to get the 55% that supposedly felt he wasnt capable. They should have just said 39% didnt think the could do it and 16% were unsure. So net-net, it looks like most people are open to hearing what he has to say. Most likely the 39% that say he couldnt do it are the hard core Dems that arent going to vote for him anyway.
Why are you self conscious Californians so concerned about everyones flags? Are you that fearful of other conservatives. Shit no wonder you head for the hills when you see a Dem at the polls.
If you want people to show their flags, then maybe you could post something frequently as a FAQ to tell people how to do it and why its so important to you picked on Californians. Contrary to what you flag freaks think, most freepers just get on and read the posts and occasionally respond to a post if they feel they can do so without some tough guy coming along to belittle them. If you want flags, then provide a helping hand to new freepers and dont be such an ass.
And according to Rohrbacher, Arnold is opposed to third trimester abortions. Happy?
I am happy that Arnold opposes partial birth abortion (only a militant pro-abort would support it, so many people use that as a line they will never cross when voting for candidates with a mixed abortion record) but that is not the only late-term abortion procedure.
I agree 100% on the funding issue. It looks like you take the issue as one of many and weigh your vote along with the other positions you have. The Republican Party is first and foremost a fiscally conservative party. If we had to agree on all the social issues we'd never win anything.
Fiscal conservatism is impossible in a morally dissolute society.
In and of itself, the assertion is meaningless. Many viciously pro-abort liberals and libertarians claim to be personally opposed to abortion in general--not just third-trimester abortions. Even Bill-the-Thrill and Shrilley-Hillary claim to be personally opposed to abortion.
Butt out hogjaws.......
Not really. But I'm glad you at least asked. I hate it when people just assume. =:O
The following is from Tom McClintock For Governor website (select "pressroom" -> "speeches") -- read the part in bold red letters below and then you tell me if Senator McClintock is "delusional" and doesn't understand the powers of the governor or how state government works. I assume you have some basis for believing that federal law is involved here and that the 9th circuit would assume jurisdiction over a complaint arising from these actions.
7/26/03
I want to salute Ted Costa—whose foresight and courage began this effort while the pundits laughed. Howard Kaloogian and Sal Russo who instantly stood up to join the effort. Darryl Issa whose devotion and generosity accelerated the drive and who has borne the attacks of Davis and his henchman. And all of the radio hosts across California who have sounded the call to action.
You have brought us to this moment in history.
Ladies and Gentlemen, the hour of California's redemption has arrived—IF we are ready to fight for it.
I believe this is the historic turning point that can restore our state's public works, bring its bureaucracies back under control, and roll back the regulations and taxes that are choking our economy. To do so, we must have a Governor who knows every crevice of this government and is willing to challenge, to confront and to defeat the spending lobby that controls it.
Let me tell you what I will do in the first hour of this new administration.
The moment I have taken the oath of office, I'll sign the order to rescind the illegal tripling of California's Car Tax. If this governor can claim that he has the authority to raise the car tax by fiat, then by God I'll claim the same authority to lower it right back down by fiat.
I'll then sign a stipulation to the Superior Court in Pasadena in the case I filed last year to void the $42 billion of outrageously priced electricity contracts that Davis approved. Those contracts were negotiated under a clear legal conflict of interest by Davis' chief negotiator. This governor won't stipulate to these simple facts because it would require him to admit wrongdoing. I'll certainly admit Davis has done some things wrong!
Then I will sign a third document, calling a special session of the legislature to deal with our Workers Compensation insurance crisis. They will have 30 days to enact Arizona's Workers Compensation law—slashing workers comp costs by 2/3. And if they fail in 30 days, I'll take it to the ballot and let them explain to the people why they refused to act while our job market was collapsing.
With those three documents—and a governor with the will to act—we can reduce taxes by over $4 billion, dramatically lower electricity prices, and roll back the costs of Workers Compensation that are destroying jobs in our state.
And all that before lunch.
And the rest of the day, I'll spend personally de-funding every state agency that duplicates local or federal jurisdictions, or overlaps other state agencies or that is performing functions that the private sector could and should do anyway.
We can do this. Last fall, I received more cross-over Democratic votes, more independent votes and more total votes than any other Republican on the ballot. Running for Controller, I received 103,000 votes more than our candidate for Governor. I believe the hour has come.
My parents moved our family to California in 1965. They came here seeking a better future for their children. My Dad had been out of work for over a year; my Mom was a homemaker. And yet they came here that summer and immediately found good jobs and a home of their dreams. On a modest income, they bought a 4-bedroom ranch style home with a 40-foot swimming pool and a third-acre fully landscaped. They bought that home for $35,000.
California was indeed the Golden State. Taxes were low. Jobs were plentiful. The highways were the finest in the world. My Dad commuted 40 miles to downtown Los Angeles every morning—about a 45-minute drive in rush-hour. Our hydro-electric and nuclear plants were making electricity so cheap, that electricity meters were supposed to become obsolete within ten years. Our water storage was so immense that many communities didn't bother with water meters. Coming from Westchester County, New York, where the schools were supposed to be the best in the country, I had to scramble to catch up with California's schools.
I remember that state. I lived there. It was real. It's been taken from us. Ladies and gentlemen, don't you think that it's high time that we took it back?
The home my parents bought for $35,000—if it were new—should be selling today for $180,000 with inflation. But the homes in that neighborhood—now 40 years older—now cost more than twice that.
My parents wouldn't have been able to even think of affording that house today. They wouldn't have been able to find work, either. We lost more than 200,000 jobs last year. And if they had found the work, they couldn't have gotten there—Downtown Los Angeles is now TWO HOURS from Thousand Oaks in rush hour.
They couldn't have afforded their taxes either. That year, the state spent a little over 6-dollars from every hundred that people earned. Today, Davis is spending a record of nearly 10-dollars out of every hundred you earn.
If my family—and every family like ours—came looking for a better future for their kids today—they wouldn't find it in California.
Those families today look at our state, with its bountiful resources; with the most equitable climate on the entire continent; with every blessing that God could possibly bestow upon a land—and they're finding a better place to live and work and raise their families out in the desolation of the Arizona and Nevada deserts.
No conceivable act of God could ever wreak such devastation upon our state. Only government could do that. And it has.
And the good news of this election is—WE CAN CHANGE THAT. Ladies and Gentlemen, we have the chance to make our state over again.
One by one, Californians are realizing that their decision comes down to fight or flight. Many are fleeing. But many more know that this state is worth fighting for.
Ladies and Gentlemen, in the next 74 days, this generation of Californians has the historic responsibility to restore to our children the GOLDEN STATE that our parents gave to us.
Are you ready? Then let's roll!
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