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To: Abe Froman
We have a difference of opinion.

Your question was:

"I'm not trying to be a smartass here, but wasn't this country founded by ideologues and reactionary absolutists?"

My reply was simple and at the same time concise and precise.

I never said the The Founders weren't ideologues. I said the Founders weren't impractical ideologues. Once again, "the Founding Fathers were radical revolutionaries". I also mentioned, the Founders were the best politicians of there day and like their contemporary counterparts, all politicians compromise and negotiate. Nobody gets 100% of what they want. The facts are indisputable. During the First Constitutional Convention, the US Constitution went through several drafts before being accepted by a majority of the delegates.

What the Founders would have to say about modern American society, is total speculation on your part. Contemporary American's have a knowledge and awareness of historical events that the Founders didn't have. We have been exposed to a society that is different and far more complex then the one which existed in the late 17th century and early 18th century. Reacting to certain events is one thing, being a reactionary is the same as being a rightwing extremist. Such fringe extremsim serves no good purpose and solves nothing in the political arena.

As a traditional conservative, I don't advocate tax increases and more governmnet spending. Nor do I support gun control and removing references to God from our everyday activities in the public domain.

This is the 21st century, my friend. Stop living in the past.

288 posted on 08/12/2003 6:03:41 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
It is true that I speculate on the founder's opinions on today's political matters, but my speculation is not without merit; the fathers went to war over government abuses that our current government has long since completely eclipsed. The frame of the debate has shifted far towards the socialist left. If the founders were to judge our current government with the same criteria in which they judged the British crown, they would no doubt ask why we hadn't had open rebellion thus far. They were politicians, yes, but they were only willing to compromise with those people who were like-minded and had basically the same goal in mind (a limited government and personal freedom.) When it came to the king, obviously they took a stand that was completely impractical and stubborn, and as a result they jettisoned politics and went to war.

Having a rightwing extremist (by this I assume you mean a "give me liberty or give me death" attitude) view is only useless if you hold it alone. If enough people can be convinced to think as you do, it is no longer extreme, futhermore, the entire concept of liberty is such that comprimising on ANYTHING means you have failed.

"Freedom can't be kept for nothing. If you set a high value on liberty, you must set a low value on everything else." --Lucius Annaeus

289 posted on 08/13/2003 11:44:56 AM PDT by Abe Froman
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