Posted on 08/07/2003 8:27:02 PM PDT by AZ GRAMMY
Second arrest made in immigrant incident
BY LOUIE VILLALOBOS, Staff Writer Aug 7, 2003
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Yuma County sheriff's deputies have arrested a second man in connection with the alleged unlawful detention of six illegal immigrants on July 31 in Gadsden.
Alexander David Dumas, 26, was arrested Tuesday evening after driving to Yuma from his home in Big Bear Lake, Calif., for an interview, said sheriff's spokesman Lt. Eben Bratcher.
Dumas was charged with six counts of aggravated assault and five counts of unlawful imprisonment following the early morning July 31 incident where deputies said he and Matthew Paul Hoffman, arrested on the same charges on Monday, detained a group of six illegal immigrants that had just entered the United States through the Colorado River.
A third man, Martin Hoffman Jr., was with the two suspects but won't be charged because he was not armed and did not take part in the handcuffing of the illegal immigrants, Bratcher said.
Bratcher said the department will continue to investigate the case and warned citizens against taking the law into their own hands.
He said anyone who sees a group of suspected illegal immigrants should call the Border Patrol, and not take it upon themselves to apprehend the group by using guns and handcuffs. Asking a group to stay put while making a phone call is permitted and would constitute a citizen's arrest, he said.
"When you have someone holding someone against their will with the use or the threat of the use of force, you've crossed the line between a citizen's arrest and unlawful detention," he said. "There was no justification for the use of force."
Deputies said the two men handcuffed five members of the group, which included three children and two women, and held them at gunpoint until U.S. Border Patrol agents arrived.
Agents have said they were dispatched to the scene when a surveillance camera operator noticed the incident unfolding. The agents called the sheriff's department, who then identified and interviewed all three men before letting them go, officials said.
Bratcher said the men are not believed to be part of a larger group, such as the citizen patrol groups that operate on private property along the Tucson border and use various forms of technology to alert Border Patrol agents to the presence of illegal immigrants in the area.
Also being charged with five counts of endangerment is a 16-year-old Mexican national who Bratcher said was paid $600 to bring the illegal immigrants into the United States. Bratcher also said the illegal immigrants were planning to meet with a taxi cab in Gadsden and were to be taken to a unidentified Yuma hotel, according to interviews done of the illegal immigrants by detectives.
William Robbins, Border Patrol spokesman, said the six illegal immigrants were in the agency's custody as of Wednesday morning but couldn't be interviewed.
Hugo Oliva, Mexican consul in Yuma, said the group was in good condition following the incident and that his office is encouraged by the sheriff's department's efforts regarding this case.
"This is a very disturbing thing to happen here," Oliva said. "We can't have people with guns do the job of law enforcement agencies."
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Our borders need to be closed. Preferably with a mine field and an electric fence. This zone should be amply signed and warnings published about it. That way those who choose to die in the field or on the fence (as they are attacking our country) are taking their own lives into their hands.
Any active intervention on our part would be as an absolute last resort.
I have no problem whatsoever with people immigrating through the proper legal procedures.
Until next time.
Exaggeration doesn't really help your point. The "psychotic monsters who would do them harm" only intended to turn them over to border patrol to be deported back to their own country. No one got shot. No little baby was harmed ---- except their own mothers did definitely risk their lives for no good reason.
It hasn't. It's fairly known in Mexico that Fox isn't doing much for these people precisely because he wants them out of Mexico ----they're doing some ethnic cleansing in Mexico ---- because while he's sending these people out, whites from Argentina, Spain and other ethnically acceptable countries are getting good jobs in Mexico --- look at some of the news anchormen or soap operas on Mexico television ----white white white. The Pope even made it a point to tell Fox in public that the indigenous Mexican people belong to Mexico, and Mexico belongs to them ---but he obviously is ignoring that.
The big irony is that if Buchanan was elected ----or Bush was enforcing the border and immigration, things in Mexico would be turning around and the elites would quickly make some reforms. Their lives would depend on them to do so --- but for now they don't need to ----they can send those who they'd otherwise have to accomodate better out of the country.
FR has become very politically correct, very much a herd, with packs of wolves prowling it. There are Lovely Places to still have free discussions.
You have sent me several links to a bunch of fringe anti-immigration organizations as proof that immigration is a big issue and you then tell me you have an open mind. right.
I never called you a racist. It looks to me like you have a guilty conscience.
You have provided nothing to convince me that I should ignore these things.
Your "open mind" is showing again. I didn't know my "agenda" was to convince you of anything. I never expected to change your mind. I expected to find out why you think immigration is a big issue. I expected to provide a counter point for your misstatements. I believe I have accomplished both of my expectations.
Agenda and opinion are not the same.
agenda
1) n :a temporally organized plan for matters to be attended to
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2) n :a list of matters to be taken up (as at a meeting)
How about that. You were right on this one thing.
I'm starting to feel like my reponses to you are unappreciated. I will not reponded to any more of your messages to me from this thread unless you ask me nicely and say please. This will allow you to have the last word and you can say any silly thing you wish without fear of my response.
Have a nice day.
Thanx for the response. It isn't obvious to me but Wisconsin is hardly a hotbed of Latino immigration so I'll take your word for it, with a small grain of salt, unless some other information makes it my way.
I learn something new everyday.
There are almost 600 posts to this very heated debate. Perhaps you forgot to read this thread.
Impossible!
LOL
You are only acting illegally if you fail to detain them!
I state again: You are acting illegally if you fail to detain them.
Check this
Marshfield's most wanted you gotta go to G before you see one hispanic
or my hometown Madsion Area Crime Stoppers
Green Bay is way north of me. Green Bay also has a 8% hispanic population which may not seem like much to you in Texas but for Wisconsin it is very large. Madison's hispanic population is about 4%. Most the northern part of the state is white inbred farmers...you can't help but be arrested if you're a minority in northern Wisconsin. What can I say about Green Bay? They like to drink a lot in Green Bay and when you watch the Green Bay Packers can you really blame them?
All kidding aside your point is understood and I should tell you that you passed this link on to me on a previous thread, so it wasn't nearly as shocking this time.
Hey! Watch your mouth about my town!! And I'll have to ask my hubby's parents if they're "inbred."
Why are you still here?
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