Posted on 08/07/2003 8:27:02 PM PDT by AZ GRAMMY
Second arrest made in immigrant incident
BY LOUIE VILLALOBOS, Staff Writer Aug 7, 2003
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Yuma County sheriff's deputies have arrested a second man in connection with the alleged unlawful detention of six illegal immigrants on July 31 in Gadsden.
Alexander David Dumas, 26, was arrested Tuesday evening after driving to Yuma from his home in Big Bear Lake, Calif., for an interview, said sheriff's spokesman Lt. Eben Bratcher.
Dumas was charged with six counts of aggravated assault and five counts of unlawful imprisonment following the early morning July 31 incident where deputies said he and Matthew Paul Hoffman, arrested on the same charges on Monday, detained a group of six illegal immigrants that had just entered the United States through the Colorado River.
A third man, Martin Hoffman Jr., was with the two suspects but won't be charged because he was not armed and did not take part in the handcuffing of the illegal immigrants, Bratcher said.
Bratcher said the department will continue to investigate the case and warned citizens against taking the law into their own hands.
He said anyone who sees a group of suspected illegal immigrants should call the Border Patrol, and not take it upon themselves to apprehend the group by using guns and handcuffs. Asking a group to stay put while making a phone call is permitted and would constitute a citizen's arrest, he said.
"When you have someone holding someone against their will with the use or the threat of the use of force, you've crossed the line between a citizen's arrest and unlawful detention," he said. "There was no justification for the use of force."
Deputies said the two men handcuffed five members of the group, which included three children and two women, and held them at gunpoint until U.S. Border Patrol agents arrived.
Agents have said they were dispatched to the scene when a surveillance camera operator noticed the incident unfolding. The agents called the sheriff's department, who then identified and interviewed all three men before letting them go, officials said.
Bratcher said the men are not believed to be part of a larger group, such as the citizen patrol groups that operate on private property along the Tucson border and use various forms of technology to alert Border Patrol agents to the presence of illegal immigrants in the area.
Also being charged with five counts of endangerment is a 16-year-old Mexican national who Bratcher said was paid $600 to bring the illegal immigrants into the United States. Bratcher also said the illegal immigrants were planning to meet with a taxi cab in Gadsden and were to be taken to a unidentified Yuma hotel, according to interviews done of the illegal immigrants by detectives.
William Robbins, Border Patrol spokesman, said the six illegal immigrants were in the agency's custody as of Wednesday morning but couldn't be interviewed.
Hugo Oliva, Mexican consul in Yuma, said the group was in good condition following the incident and that his office is encouraged by the sheriff's department's efforts regarding this case.
"This is a very disturbing thing to happen here," Oliva said. "We can't have people with guns do the job of law enforcement agencies."
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Perhaps I should have said financial problems.
There are a lot of black people on the most wanted pages for Chicago. One might assume the blacks are illegal immigrant criminals from Jamaica, or one might use logic and realize that since a large proportion of the native Chicago population is black it makes sense that the criminals there are black as well. I didn't notice that the LAPD most wanted lists said anything about them being illegal immigrants. Most of the Latino population in LA was born there or legal immigrants.
I did check it, but I see no information regarding the number of illegal immigrants on the most wanted list. Can you pinpoint this information for me please?
I don't disagree at all and I wrote as much in post 494
"Truthfully I think the most convincing arguments for tightening the borders are the large number of hispanic criminals you find on the federal, state and city "most wanted" lists across this country. These criminals in the true sense of the word criminal. When someone calls all illegal immigrants criminals I believe it minimizes the crimes of rapists, murderers, and dope peddlers. I think some of those latino criminals might not have turned to crime if they could have legally found a job, but I am not naive enough to believe most of the people on our most wanted lists are anything but monsters and a large percentage of them around this country are hispanic."
Speeders, MP3 downloaders and jaywalkers, as well?
Talk about extreme.
2. When a felony has been in fact committed and he has reasonable ground to believe that the person to be arrested has committed it.
Neither was met, have fun in jail Dumas and buddies.
I do not wish to get into a pissing match with you. I believe I been civil with you. I have called you no names, and I do not know why you take it upon yourself to defend other poster from what you imply are unfair allegations of racism. You're right I have implied some posters were racist for expressing racist opinions. I've never said you owed me anything, I've only asked if you had anything of substance to back up your opinion. You are under no obligation to prove your opinion is valid...look at novacation
Civility does not mean I need to agree with you or that I am forbidden from pointing out your misstatements. I do have an agenda ( or rather an opinion,) and I have never claimed otherwise. Are you saying you do not? You came to this table with an open mind? I don't believe that either.
Your sources are highly suspect. Talk about an agenda Negative Population Growth and Minnesotans For Sustainability. I barely skimmed these. The Zogby poll from Americans for Immigration Control was more credible but questions like "should the USA admit fewer immigrants each year?" are really poor and don't really gage voter/US citizen interest. I can ask "do you think there is too much sex on Television?" and 60% says yes! but they do not stop watching Jerry Springer or Sex in the City. Try to ban their favorite filthy show and you will really find out what a "big" issue is.
Much more interesting is the Worldviews survey...If you had actually read it you might have seen Question 310:What do you feel are the two or three biggest problems facing the country today? Immigration(Too many immigrants)is rated #13 just below poverty. Thank you for proving my point. Immigration is not an "big" issue. In 2002 6% picked immigration as one of the 2 or 3 biggest problems. In 1998 immigration was picked by 2%. Did we have a huge increase in immigration since 1998? No we did not. What we have had is a recession.
As I have stated before in difficult economic times the ugly head of racism raises it's head higher and illegal immigrants from Mexico make for an easy scapegoat much as the Jews did during the Depression in Germany. You may excuse or even jump on the band wagon it if you wish but I will not be a party to it.
From the above... "* When asked whether the government was doing enough to control the border and screen those allowed into the country, 76 percent said the government was not doing enough and only 19 percent said the government was doing enough. While self-identified conservatives were the most likely to think not enough was being done (83 percent), 74 percent of liberals and 75 percent of moderates also indicated that enforcement was insufficient. In addition, by a margin of more than two to one, blacks, whites, and Hispanics all thought government efforts at border control and vetting of immigrants were inadequate."
This poll was taken 2 weeks after 9-11 when 19 arabs(13 with valid visas) killed 3,000 Americans. 9-11 hardened the heart of America. Not one of the 9-11 terrorists was Mexican but if Zogby had asked me at the time I too would have said we have an immigration problem because of the 9-11 tragedy. Today I can look at 9-11 with some detachment and cold logic. I see 8 - 10 million illegals and 19 terrorist and the link between the 2 is weak indeed.
Your last link is very nice. It has a CBS, USA Today, and a Gallup poll linked. These are certainly mainstream sources and much more credible than the other links. I am too tired to go through all the information linked to that page. I will check them out tomorrow. I will again point out that a poll that says "Americans are more likely to favor decreased over increased immigration." Is not the same as caring about the issue. However the last link ( http://www.fairus.org/html/04120604.htm )does indeed have some meat to chew on. I have already thanked you for the links, I thank you again and I am now finished "discrediting" your sources
You are completely whacked. I pray nobody sells you any ammonium nitrate fertilizer. I'm guessing you
Then comrade French screamed "Power to the workers! Property to the people!"
In that case he gets tried for treason and (if found guilty) executed under the law. A non-citizen is killed during the course of battle. Subtle but important difference
In short I really can't say at this time.
Apples and oranges CJ. These 'women and children' are foreign combatants attacking our borders with intenet to harm us. The speeders or jaywalkers are citizens just being stupid.
Apples and oranges. Speeders et al are usually citizens being stupid not foreign combatants
I don't see how being at FR a long time makes me a sick man.
Our open borders are the biggest problem facing the US today (I include outsourcing as a border problem also). I have long been a believer that good fences make good neighbors. We need to defend our borders stringently.
Now my ideas may sound heartless and extreme, but that's because they are. I have no mercy for people attacking my country. Once several die and the word gets out that the border is protected the whole problem goes away. No more people making the attempt and no one else dying in the minefields or on the fence. Unfortunately some people will try it even after it is known. I guess that's how mexico will clean its gene pool.
Unarmed women and children crossing the borders without papers are not enemy combatants, fool, but if they are going to be accosted and lynched by Nazis then I hope they do become armed in order to defend their inalienable rights from the psychotic monsters who would do them harm.
Most could have legally found a job in Mexico ---but that might have meant a little hard work. It's too easy to get over the border no matter who you are, who you've murdered. Many are escaping Mexican law by coming over in the first place. There is no control at all, no background checks ----we just had a man murdered last weekend by two guys from Mexico and another incident where two Mexicans shot into a crowd at a public event.
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