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SCO wants $32 for each embedded Linux device
EE Times ^ | 08/06/03 | Rick Merritt

Posted on 08/06/2003 7:53:49 PM PDT by Salo

SCO wants $32 for each embedded Linux device By Rick Merritt

EE Times August 6, 2003 (6:02 p.m. ET)

SAN JOSE, Calif. The SCO Group said Tuesday (August 5) it wants $32 for each embedded system using Linux. That request stems from the Lindon, Utah company's claim that Linux versions 2.4 and above contains code that infringes on its Unix software.

SCO is currently suing IBM Corp. for breech of contract for allegedly supplying some of that Unix code as part of the open source development process for Linux.

After IBM, large businesses using Linux servers are SCO's first target. The company sent letters to about 1,500 large companies it believes could be running such servers. Through October, it will charge them $699 for rights to its Unix code for each single-CPU Linux server they operate, after that charge double.

In a less well-publicized part of the company's licensing terms, announced Tuesday (August 5), SCO said it will charge OEMs $32 per unit for each embedded Linux device they own.

The $32 fee applies to any embedded system regardless of whether it is a Tivo set-top box which uses embedded Linux or some models of the Sharp Zaurus which also use that kernel.

A diverse group of embedded systems that market watchers number in the millions currently use embedded Linux. They range from consumer and handheld systems to networking devices such as routers and firewalls, medical equipment and some military electronic systems use Linux. Venture Development Corp. pegs sales of embedded Linux tools and services at $62.6 million in 2002, a market growing at compound rate of 20.1 percent through 2007.

SCO will seek royalties from OEMs though it is not yet pursuing such companies actively, according to a company spokesman.

However, analysts said if the company is successful establishing its claims with server users, embedded systems could be the SCO's next target.

SCO's chief executive Daryl McBride did travel to Japan in July to make his case with eight consumer electronics companies there after they set up the CE Linux Forum. McBride met with at least on Fujitsu executive on that trip, the spokesman said.

"This situation is rather odd in a lot of ways," said Gordon Haff, a senior analyst at Illuminata (Nashua, N.H.). For instance, SCO was formerly Caldera International Inc., a Linux distributor and developer before it abandoned Linux to focus on Unix, Haff noted.

SCO has not detailed its infringement claims, but the company has shown a portion of its infringed Unix code to people willing to sign non-disclosure agreements. Haff claims if SCO did detail all the allegedly infringed code, developers could write new code to replace it, defusing the situation.

For its part, SCO claims it has lost to free Linux distributions substantial revenue it might have gained from Unix sales.

If SCO is successful in establishing its claims, "Linux would die," said Haff. But he doesn't expect that will happen."It's hard to say what will happen in a complicated legal case, but from my perspective this is a Hail Mary pass from a company that the market has passed by," said Haff.

It its most recent earnings report, SCO reported declines in product and services revenue in the six months ending April 2003 compared to the same period last year. However, those declines were offset by $8 in new licensing revenues. The company also turned a profit of $3.7 million in the recent period compared to a $17.6 million net loss for the year-ago period.

The embedded Linux licensing move "is extortion based on fraud. They are out to shake down people for what they can get," said Inder Singh, chairman of the Embedded Linux Consortium and chief executive of embedded Linux and real-time operating system maker LynuxWorks (San Jose). Neither the consortium nor his company has had any communications from SCO on the royalty demand, Singh said.

"We will wait until they show us something," that infringes their code, before taking any action on the licensing move, he added.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: ibm; linux; sco
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1 posted on 08/06/2003 7:53:49 PM PDT by Salo
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To: Salo
Ok. Where do I pay?

NOT!!
2 posted on 08/06/2003 7:55:33 PM PDT by marvlus
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To: Nick Danger; rdb3; ShadowAce; TechJunkYard; HAL9000; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Pinging the Penguin Pinger.
3 posted on 08/06/2003 7:58:07 PM PDT by Salo
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To: Salo
Highway robbery. I wonder if they have to pay any of this money back if they are proved wrong about their IP claims.
4 posted on 08/06/2003 7:58:28 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: Salo
If Microsoft isn't pulling the strings here, I don't know who is. These announcements seem as though their designed to do nothing other than scare as many potential Linux users away as possible.
5 posted on 08/06/2003 7:59:33 PM PDT by TruthFactor
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To: Salo
If Microsoft isn't pulling the strings here, I don't know who is. These announcements seem as though their designed to do nothing other than scare as many potential Linux users away as possible.
6 posted on 08/06/2003 7:59:51 PM PDT by TruthFactor
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To: Salo
Sucks for Linux users!

Try FreeBSD on for size.

7 posted on 08/06/2003 8:00:42 PM PDT by xrp
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To: Salo
If Microsoft isn't pulling the strings here, I don't know who is. These announcements seem as though their designed to do nothing other than to scare away as many potential Linux users as possible.
8 posted on 08/06/2003 8:01:28 PM PDT by TruthFactor
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To: TruthFactor
Stop stuttering.
9 posted on 08/06/2003 8:05:00 PM PDT by xrp
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To: Salo
They'll have to take it from my cold, dead hands.
10 posted on 08/06/2003 8:05:03 PM PDT by jimkress (Go away Pat Go away!)
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To: dr_who_2
I wonder if they have to pay any of this money back if they are proved wrong about their IP claims.

It has been suggested (elsewhere) that one should ask SCO exactly that question.

However, in the likely event their claims are proved to be bogus, SCO is likely to have any money for refunds.

11 posted on 08/06/2003 8:06:17 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: Salo
Make SCO your Internet Explorer homepage and "help" SCO's bandwidth requirements.

;-)
12 posted on 08/06/2003 8:06:33 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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To: Salo
So does SCO expect me to write them a check for my TiVo?

Yeah, right.
13 posted on 08/06/2003 8:07:21 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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To: John Robinson; B Knotts; stainlessbanner; TechJunkYard; ShadowAce; Knitebane; AppyPappy; jae471; ...
The Penguin Ping.

Wanna be Penguified? Just holla!

Got root?

14 posted on 08/06/2003 8:07:23 PM PDT by rdb3 (Nerve-racking since 0413hrs on XII-XXII-MCMLXXI)
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To: marvlus
You'd better hurry up and pay - the way the guys who run the company are SELLING stock, there might not be anyone left at SCO (pronounced "scum") to collect your license fee in a month. ;-)
15 posted on 08/06/2003 8:07:26 PM PDT by Salo
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Haff claims if SCO did detail all the allegedly infringed code, developers could write new code to replace it, defusing the situation.

Kind of gets rid of the idea that it's theft, or that Linux programmers can't come up with code that doesn't infringe.

"defusing the situation" must be code for "take away our potential profit".
16 posted on 08/06/2003 8:07:34 PM PDT by cryptical
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To: xrp
Sorry... Thought server hung. There was no response.
17 posted on 08/06/2003 8:10:21 PM PDT by TruthFactor
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To: Salo
It's been said better than I can say it--SCO's putting GPL'ed Linux on their site for download moves this case from eyebrow-raising through the ridiculous to frivilous lawsuit status. My question is whether the attorney's can be held liable for any of these frivilous actions also. They SHOULD be, but can they be?
18 posted on 08/06/2003 8:12:12 PM PDT by jammer
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To: cryptical
Haff hails from Illuminata (is that like the Illuminati?) not SCO.

Since SCO's claims begin with 2.4, perhaps another way of getting around it would be to assemble a herculean clean room team to take Linux 2.3 and bring it back up to modern standards. That would replace things which are non-SCO as well as things that are allegedly SCO, but would get SCO off their back permanently.
19 posted on 08/06/2003 8:14:19 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: xrp
Try FreeBSD on for size.

The more I think about it, the more I think that BSD may actually be the root source of this controversy.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not blaming BSD. But, the BSD license permits use of code released under that license in proprietary products, as long as the BSD copyright notice is included.

For instance, the TCP networking code in most operating systems originated from BSD, including Windows. If some long-gone SCO developer put BSD code into SCO Unix, there's a good chance it will match up with similar code in Linux.

20 posted on 08/06/2003 8:14:44 PM PDT by justlurking
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