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Iraqi 'Mach 3' MiG Buried in Sand (Charles Smith)
NewsMax.com ^ | August 6, 2003 | Charles Smith

Posted on 08/06/2003 12:35:40 PM PDT by HighRoadToChina

Iraqi 'Mach 3' MiG Buried in Sand Charles R. Smith Wednesday August 6, 2003

NewsMax.com has obtained exclusive photos of a buried Iraqi jet fighter being recovered by U.S. Air Force troops. The Iraqi jet, an advanced Russian MiG-25 Foxbat, was found buried in the sands after an informant tipped off U.S. troops. Click here to see the MiG buried in the Iraqi desert.

The MiG was dug out of a massive sand dune near the Al Taqqadum airfield by U.S. Air Force recovery teams. The MiG was reportedly one of over two-dozen Iraqi jets buried in the sands, like hidden treasure, waiting to be recovered at a later date.

Contrary to what some in the major media have reported, not all the jets found were from the Gulf War era.

The Russian made MiG-25 Foxbat recovered by U.S. Army troops in the pictures, is an advanced reconnaissance version never before seen in the west and is equipped with sophisticated electronics warfare devices.

U.S. Air Force recovery teams had to use large earth moving equipment to uncover the MiG which is over 70 feet long and weights nearly 25 tons.

Click here to see troops digging the MiG out of its hole.

Click here to see troops towing the jet away.

All photos courtesy of MSGT T. Collins, USAF

The Foxbat is known to be one of Iraq's top jet fighters. The advanced electronic reconnaissance version found by the U.S. Air Force is currently in service with the Russian air force. The MiG is capable of flying at speeds of over 2,000 miles an hour or three times the speed of sound, and at altitudes of over 75,000 feet.

The recovery of the advanced MiG fighter is considered to be an intelligence coup by the U.S. Air Force. The Foxbat may also be equipped with advanced Russian and French made electronics that were sold to Iraq during the 1990s in violation of a U.N. ban on arms sales to Baghdad.

The buried aircraft at Al Taqqadum were covered in camouflage netting, sealed and in many cases had their wings removed, before being buried over ten feet underneath the Iraqi desert.

X MARKS THE SPOT

The discovery of the buried Iraqi jet fighters illustrates the problem faced by U.S. inspection teams searching Iraq for weapons of mass destruction. Iraq is larger in size than California and the massive deserts south and west of Baghdad were used by Saddam Hussein to hide weapons during the first Gulf war.

U.S. intelligence sources have already uncovered several mass grave burial sites in the open deserts with an estimated 10,000 dead hidden there. In addition, Iraq previously hid SCUD missiles, chemical weapons and biological warheads by burying them under the desert sands. U.N. inspection teams found the weapons in the early 1990s after detailed information of the exact locations was obtained.

Top U.S. weapons inspector Dr. David Kay is known to favor human intelligence as the primary means to find Iraq's hidden treasure trove of weapons and secrets.

While there are rumors of Iraqi chemical and biological weapons being shipped to nearby Syria, the weapons may very well still remain inside Iraq buried under the vast desert wastelands.

Some critics of the Bush administration have claimed that the inability of U.S. forces to uncover weapons of mass destruction is proof that the President misled the nation into the war with Iraq. However, in recent days the critics have fallen silent as word quietly leaked from Iraq that major discoveries have already been made and are now being documented completely. Bush administration officials are keeping any such discoveries secret for the moment.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: allyourmigs; arebelongtous; britanniaisatroll; foxbat; iraq; iraqiairforce; mig; migs; pictures; rebuildingiraq; trollalert; trollbane; trollinthread; wmd
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To: Charles Martel
It (MiG-25) has enough speed to be an effective "Wild Weasel".

Really? I know that the F-4 Phantom played that role in the USAF until fairly recently -- and that was not an agile aircraft by today's standards -- but it seems to me that speed would be of marginal utility in a knife fight like that.

Given that we rely far more on our aircraft (AWACS & Bar CAP's) than our SAM's for air defence, I should think that the Russians didn't have much use for Wild Weasel tactics.

What I CAN see is that the MiG-25 might have evolved into a decent cruise missile hunter once a workable lookdown radar system was developed. It's a big, fast plane. Lots of room for electronics & AA missiles.

261 posted on 08/07/2003 8:41:43 AM PDT by Tallguy (Trying desperately to ignore Hillary.... and not succeeding.)
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To: Charles Martel
Oh, and another thing about the MiG in a Wild Weasel role: It's canopy would hinder the pilot's abiltiy to keep track of a SAM once it left the rail. Rearward visisbility looks practically non-existant. The main lesson learned in Vietnam was that in order to defeat a SAM, you had to see it first. After that you had to keep it turning until it decelerated or you broke lock. I don't see the Foxbat in this role.
262 posted on 08/07/2003 8:48:08 AM PDT by Tallguy (Trying desperately to ignore Hillary.... and not succeeding.)
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To: bedolido
Mig Foxbat doing Mach 3 sounds like Russian propaganda to me. I heard that these kinds of claims for Russian Migs, when they weren't total lies, applied to special planes rigged for a speed test and that they ruined the engines reaching their top speed for a very brief time.

And yes the SR-71 could do Mach 3 or very close. It could fly at over 2000 mph. That's Mach 3 territory. I've only read a few posts so someone else may already have enlightened us.
263 posted on 08/07/2003 9:02:18 AM PDT by razorbak
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To: HighRoadToChina
Was a mummified Clint Eastwood in the cockpit.
264 posted on 08/07/2003 9:07:54 AM PDT by razorbak
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To: Lazamataz
I hate when I lose Mig25 Foxbats in the sand.

by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)

A double dose of ROFLOL! I may shamelessly plagiarize your second LOL statement some time.

265 posted on 08/07/2003 9:15:51 AM PDT by razorbak
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To: razorbak
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266 posted on 08/07/2003 9:30:50 AM PDT by razorbak
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To: razorbak
Is my italics tags off symbol necessary any more on the new and improved FR?
267 posted on 08/07/2003 9:31:51 AM PDT by razorbak
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To: HighRoadToChina
Do loose lips sink Migs?
268 posted on 08/07/2003 9:33:06 AM PDT by razorbak
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To: Britannia; meowmeow; Constitution Day; 4mycountry; Poohbah; Grampa Dave; an amused spectator; ...
Britannia,

You have got to be kidding...right? Are you here for an education or to cause a riot?

Do you know what you are even talking about?

Are you "parroting" the liberal news that gets forced fed into you at 6:00pm?

Last Question, I think I found your photo...

Is this you?

269 posted on 08/07/2003 9:47:48 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Ain't nothing worse than feeling obsolete....)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
E's not dead yet! E's just restin! :o)
270 posted on 08/07/2003 9:51:36 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Britannia
In what way is it interesting that these countries have supplied just a fraction of equipment to iraq when compared to what America has "supplied" to Israel?

I love when America supplies military equipment to Israel.

It smells like victory.

271 posted on 08/07/2003 9:52:10 AM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: Eaker
Did the gauges bounce around and lights flash like a toy train? Damn, I hope so!!!

The gauges would swing back and forth until the "filter"
switch was turned on. At that time the green "zeroed"
light would come on, and the meter would center on "0" volts.

272 posted on 08/07/2003 9:53:10 AM PDT by ASA Vet ("Those who know, don't talk. Those who talk, don't know." (I'm in the Sgt Schultz group))
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To: Constitution Day
Look, matey, I know a dead rat when I see one, and
I'm looking at one right now.
273 posted on 08/07/2003 9:54:18 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Ain't nothing worse than feeling obsolete....)
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To: HighRoadToChina
These pix are SO cool! It's like Raiders of the Lost Ark!
274 posted on 08/07/2003 9:56:00 AM PDT by ArcLight
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To: Gunslingr3
It's a Foxbat B. This is recce version equipped with ELINT and other stand-off sensors. Old yes, but interesting to intel as Syria uses the type for example.
275 posted on 08/07/2003 1:51:45 PM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: HighRoadToChina
Amazing what a metal detector can locate.
276 posted on 08/07/2003 2:02:33 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: ASA Vet
People, don't believe the garbage in this report. The MiG-25 was a 1960's design, and except for its powerful radar, is technologically on a rough par with our old Phantom jets. Heck, it doesn't even use a turbofan engine. The Russians designed the MiG-31 about 20 years ago because the MiG-25 was already obsolete then. It DOES have Mach-3 capability (for very short bursts), but if pushed to that speed, needs a change of engines when it lands. This is much ado about nothing.
277 posted on 08/07/2003 5:55:20 PM PDT by Renfield
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To: eureka!; nevergore
However, in recent days the critics have fallen silent as word quietly leaked from Iraq that major discoveries have already been made and are now being documented completely.

I haven't heard anything about this yet. I've been searching the thread for any mention of it. Have you guys heard much about this? Could you tell me more about this? Naturally I'm not going to see this on the news here for a little while..!

278 posted on 08/07/2003 6:31:00 PM PDT by New Zealander
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To: New Zealander
There's an inspector named Kay (David I think) who testified before Congress and spoke a little to the press. He said he was convinced but not time for public release. I'll see if I can find an article and ping you...
279 posted on 08/07/2003 6:43:42 PM PDT by eureka! (Rats and Presstitutes lie--they have to in order to survive.....)
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To: eureka!
The author of this article was interviewed by mhking on his RadioFR show tonight. You can catch the repeat at 11:00 pm EDT.
280 posted on 08/07/2003 6:46:51 PM PDT by Bob J (Freerepublic.net...where it's always a happening....)
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