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1 posted on 08/06/2003 9:13:00 AM PDT by robowombat
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There is yet another side to this issue, and that is the H1B visa program. Not only are we shipping white collar jobs overseas, we are importing tens of thousands of Indians to take American jobs at home. While I respect these individuals, they are now doing the majority of the software development in the United States, and they are all here on H1B visas.

The H1B visa program should cease immediately, or at least until unemployment is back below 4%.

Full Disclosure, I work for one of the companies mentioned above.
2 posted on 08/06/2003 9:19:35 AM PDT by opusprime
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Good post. And if we want to keep the House, the Senate, and the White House, our political leadership needs to take it to heart!
7 posted on 08/06/2003 9:45:46 AM PDT by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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Regardless of who's actually responsible, Bush will take the blame for this. Here in NC, IBM is talking elminating 100's of IT jobs and sending them overseas. I know many of those about to be laid-off, and they all say Gore has a chance, if he'll only run. Those hundreds of millions dollars in bribes, er, campaign contributions, that W is presently collecting is cushioning him from reality real good.
9 posted on 08/06/2003 10:12:55 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Cacophonous; Poohbah; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; ...
NAFTA or Bust?

Gore said that free trade would help increase the U.S. manufacturing base.

"Free" trade bump.

16 posted on 08/07/2003 7:55:11 PM PDT by A. Pole
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Open war has been declared on US employees. Just plain and simple, total all out war!
18 posted on 08/07/2003 8:11:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ("He's baaaaack!" Now is he on our side or the side of the (political bigger is better) machines.)
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ping nothing really new here but it may generate some significant commentary.

As always on or off let me know.
20 posted on 08/07/2003 8:24:24 PM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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US gives India assurance on outsourcing
24 posted on 08/07/2003 9:05:42 PM PDT by LayoutGuru2 (Call me paranoid but finding '/*' inside this comment makes me suspicious)
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Ross was right!
26 posted on 08/07/2003 9:22:34 PM PDT by Ed_in_NJ
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It's a well planned strategy. With jobs leaving en-masse and immigration out of control, our job base cannot support what we have, much less the crowd spilling in through our borders illegally. Someone should try applying the dumping laws to these practices and put a stop to what's happening before we become a third world country with a memory of having been a superpower.
34 posted on 08/08/2003 4:43:22 AM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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"Services (including software) account for nearly three-quarters of all American jobs.
Services were thought to be the future engine of job creation back home. Yet they are now also on "A Passage to India""

If America can potentially lose 75% of its jobs, what possible future options do Americans have?
At what point will this be addressed by our leaders in Congress, not just Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo?
If the RNC thinks it can just "wait and see" while the DNC claims this issue, then we will undoubtedly lose control in Congress and the White House.
41 posted on 08/08/2003 7:17:39 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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A Reader Mourns An American Programmer Who Lost His Job -And Took His Life
FROM: Gene Nelson him]

On May 13, The Contra Costa Times reported on an event that should trouble us all-the suicide of Kevin Flanagan, 41. ("Job losses sap morale of workers," by Ellen Lee - elee@cctimes.com) Kevin was not a drug addict, a convict, or a ne'er-do-well; he was a trained computer programmer with years of experience whose job was sent overseas. The Contra Costa Times story reports that "led by the information-technology industry, 3.3 million service jobs and $136 billion in wages will move from the United States to such countries as India and Russia over the next decade or so."

At the same time, the federal government is cooperating with hugely-profitable computer companies to relax H-1b visa restrictions, so thousands more programmers from India, Pakistan, and other impoverished countries can pour into the U.S.-to compete with American programmers like Kevin. In 2002, Nobel Prize-winning economist Milton Friedman characterized H-1B visas as a "government subsidy program."

A month ago, Kevin Flanagan found out that he'd be losing his job at the Bank of America's Concord Technology Center. That same day, he took his life-in the parking lot of his former employer.

It wasn't that Flanagan was surprised to lose his job-he'd seen it coming for months, as his father told the paper. Flanagan had watched as veteran co-workers were forced to train newcomers from India-then fired and replaced by the immigrants. One former employee told the CC Times that employees at Concord feel like they're "on death row. Every day you think, 'Is this the day I'm gone?' he said."

Typically, the Contra Costa Times story did not draw the connection between the loss of high-tech jobs and immigration. But one of the story's sources did; Peter Bennett, a refugee from the technology consulting industry, who founded a group called NoMoreH1B.com. On its site, Bennett estimates that "approximately 800,000 highly-skilled U.S. workers are now unemployed as a direct result of Congress' H-1B visa legislation."

The story also gave the impression that the Bank of America was shifting jobs overseas and hiring immigrants to preserve its competitiveness. But the numbers tell a different story-that of a prosperous bank which has let greed trump any sense of patriotism or social responsibility.

The Bank of America (Chairman and CEO Kenneth D. Lewis) is a public company. According to its most recent report to Securities and Exchange Commission (10-Q), the company's first quarter revenues this year were $8.85 billion-up $0.3 billion from the same quarter last year. Data processing expenses consumed only 2.94 percent of revenue-hardly a drain on profits.

But that hasn't stopped Bank of America from using immigrants to undercut American workers. The U.S. Dept. of Labor H-1B website shows that in just two years, the company has imported about 200 technical professionals, mostly managers. Many received low pay for the work they perform-for instance, one "Securities Operations Analyst" who is paid only $38,100 annually.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, since most of the bank's newly imported employees are likely to be contractors who report to the imported managers.

How do I know this? I've read it in press releases from "outsourcing" firms, mostly based in India, with names like as Syntel, Cognizant, Tata (TCS), Exult, HCL Infosys, Wipro, and Satyam-all list Bank of America as a client. Between them, they employ thousands of Non Immigrant Visa (NIV) holders who don't appear in the above Federal tabulations.

In fact, many new Bank of America contractors fail to appear on California or Federal tax rolls at all, since they are paid by foreign firms with foreign currency via the L-1 program. (But they and their families use government services, so U.S. citizen taxpayers pay those bills.)

More than 17.2 million such visas have been granted since 1985. Nice work, if you can get it.

To learn more about the H1B program and how to fight it, see www.ZaZona.com and www.numbersusa.com.

[Gene Nelson is a U.S. citizen and a computer programmer, who has been seeking employment since 2001. His former employer still employs H1B immigrant. Nelson has testified before Congress on the H-1B program. His upcoming book is An American Scam - How Special Interests Undermine American Security with Endless "Techie" Gluts. E-mail him c0030180@airmail.net for a 22 - page special Congressional Summary.]
45 posted on 08/08/2003 7:52:39 AM PDT by robowombat
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