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A Passage to India Services to Follow Manufacturing Jobs Exodus
Comprehensive Marketing Service ^ | July 22, 2003 | Bob Djurdjevic

Posted on 08/06/2003 9:12:59 AM PDT by robowombat

A Passage to India

Services to Follow Manufacturing Jobs Exodus

PHOENIX, July 22 - Remember the "giant sucking sound" of American jobs heading south? That's what the former presidential candidate Ross Perot said would happen if NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) were implemented.

The "south" Perot was talking about was Mexico. And NAFTA was (mostly) about manufacturing or "blue collar" jobs, which account for less than one-fifth of the U.S. payrolls.

Ten years later, however, American "white collar" workers face a far greater threat. It is a "giant sucking sound" of American services jobs heading south... all the way to India. Services (including software) account for nearly three-quarters of all American jobs

Services were thought to be the future engine of job creation back home. Yet they are now also on "A Passage to India" [title of the E.M. Forster's (1879-1970) book, written in 1924], according to a front page Business Day story in today's (July 22) New York Times.

Two IBM executives speaking to Big Blue employees around the world in a March 2003 teleconference said that "IBM needed to accelerate its efforts to move white-collar, often high-paying, jobs overseas even though that might create a backlash among politicians and its own employees," the Times reported.

During the call, the IBM executives said that three million service jobs were expected to shift to foreign workers by 2015, and that IBM should move some of its jobs now done in the United States, including software design jobs, to India and other countries, the Times reported.

Nor is IBM alone on the latest "Passage to India." Microsoft, Oracle, EDS, Accenture, Cap Gemini Ernst & Young, Unisys, BearingPoint Inc... were also among the passengers, to mention only some leading IT vendors.

Oracle, for example, plans to increase its jobs in India to 6,000 from 3,200, while Microsoft plans to double the size of its software development operation in India to 500 by late this year. Accenture, a leading consulting firm, has 4,400 workers in India, China, Russia and the Philippines, the Times said.

Electronic Data Systems (EDS), for example, has predicted it will have 20,000 employees providing offshore IT services in various countries by the end of 2004, according to the Dow Jones report.

All in all, about 450,000 computer industry jobs could be transferred abroad in the next 12 years, representing eight percent of the nation's IT jobs (per Forrester Research, an independent market research firm).

What's the sudden attraction of India? Christopher Columbus set sails for it six centuries ago "only" to discover a new continent - America. Are the global IT providers also looking for some new heretofore undiscovered treasures?

No, it's not the riches of Taj Mahal, nor a splash in the holy Ganges river, nor many other of this country's resplendent cultural and tourist attractions. It's its cheap labor. And well educated.

"You can get crackerjack Java programmers in India right out of college for $5,000 a year versus $60,000 here," a Forrester analyst told the Dow Jones Newswire today (July 22).

Some IT firms are almost entirely based on the offshore model, the Dow Jones report noted. Wipro Ltd. and Infosys Technologies Ltd. are based in India and provide services to U.S. companies. Cognizant Technology Solutions Corp. is based in Teaneck, N.J., but has most operations in India.

As a result, employment in India's IT services and software industries jumped 24% to about 650,000 in March from a year earlier, according to Nasscom, an Indian trade group.

The offshore specialists have put pressure on the more established U.S. IT- services firms. Under competitive pressure to offer lower prices to clients, American firms say they've had little choice but to move some IT work offshore, the Dow Jones report said.

Mexico Yesterday, China Today, India Tomorrow

Of course, we've heard such arguments before, including two years ago, when China's entry into the WTO (World Trade Organization) was being discussed. And 10 years ago, when NAFTA was being debated.

It was November 1993. Perot and former vice president Al Gore were facing off in a nationally televised debate on the pros and cons of free trade. The Clinton administration, then it its first year, was eager to to please its globalist masters, and push through Congress its first major international trade legislation. And did.

NAFTA passed. Wall Street cheered. Main Street mourned. At least its non-stupefied citizens did who had not yet been anaesthetized by the globalist media.

Congress passed, too... on a chance to do something good for America for a change.

But there were some honorable exceptions. Senator Fritz Hollings of South Carolina, for example, was one of them. Although a Democrat, he voted against the Clinton administration on "free trade" issues. Hollings said that "free trade," beginning with GATT and NAFTA, equals foreign aid, according to the Senator's web site:

He (Hollings) contends that U.S. agreements have done nothing more than encourage American companies to relocate abroad and take the jobs with them. This has resulted in a drastic erosion of America's manufacturing capacity and, ultimately, the loss of hundreds of thousands of well-paying jobs for middle America.

South Carolina's textile communities have been especially hard hit, having lost nearly 60,000 textile jobs since the passage of NAFTA. Hollings argues for better enforcement of existing trade laws, improved efforts to leverage the lucrative U.S. market for more competitive agreements, and a longer-term vision for the U.S. economy, which includes a strong manufacturing sector and efforts to protect the American jobs.

Yet it was all "much ado about nothing." Or close to nothing. Unfortunately for Main Street America, even the well-meaning senators like Hollings have a blind spot. They equate American jobs with manufacturing jobs (emphasis added by Annex). Yet as we have been saying since a decade ago, more than 72% of American jobs had been already in the services sector (see Annex Bulletin 93-53, Nov 12, 1993):

NAFTA or Bust?

Gore said that free trade would help increase the U.S. manufacturing base. That's sheer nonsense. The U.S. manufacturing jobs are headed the same way as were the agricultural ones more than a hundred years ago. It's a one-way trip into oblivion. No trade agreement will stop it anymore than the Luddites prevented the British industrialization by destroying some of its textile factory equipment between 1811 and 1816. It was an act of desperation, perhaps understandable considering the low level of computer penetration back then. But for the Clinton Administration to argue our manufacturing job losses can be reversed - with or without NAFTA - is either irresponsible or just plain stupid. Just consider the following statistics.

At the turn of the 19th century, the U.S. manufacturing and farm workers accounted for over 73% of the total U.S. job market. Today, they represent less than 22%. By the turn of the 20th century, their share is likely to dwindle into the single-digit range. And even the biggest and the most successful industrial corporations are no exception.

The FORTUNE 500 industrials' employment, for example, has been declining since 1979. Their share of all U.S. jobs has been dropping ever since 1969! The downsizing is actually accelerating in the 1990s. In other words, the loss of manufacturing jobs is an irreversible, technology-driven trend, just like the move from the farms to the cities was a hundred years ago. It's the "Third Wave," as Alvin Toffler put it in his 1980 book of the same title. Administrative deals such as NAFTA, from which multinational companies will benefit the most, can only affect the rate of decline, not the ultimate outcome. From Piece Work to Brain Work

Which brings up an interesting anachronism. As economic power incumbents, the leaders of multi­national industrial companies still wield the greatest political influence in our society. Yet, that's like having had the farm heads preside over the industrial revolution! To be sure, many industrials are trying to transform themselves into service businesses, where most of the new wealth is being generated these days. Already 72% of all U.S. jobs are in service activities. And small and medium size companies are leading the growth.

But, transforming a manufacturing company into a service business, a task which Lou Gerstner at IBM is facing among other top executives, is no smaller a challenge than was to have remade "Elmer the Farmer" into a "City Slicker." A century ago, progress was made by turning farm labor into piece work. Today, the challenge is converting piece work into brain work.

The industrials who are prepared to act like an amoebae, splitting themselves up into many smaller business units, each catering to a particular group of customers in a discreet market, have a chance of making it. Those who don't, will probably have to look for their reserved plots in the "Jurassic Park" of the 21 century.

(An excerpt from Annex Bulletin 93-53, Nov 12, 1993)

Not a Permanent Loss

Of course, shifting work around the world is not a new phenomenon. Multinational companies have been doing it for decades. Nor is the latest trend a guarantee that India will remain a programmer's Mecca forever.

Hungary and Israel, for example, used to be the "India's of the 1980s." Remember the "goulash communism," a term coined for Hungary's newfound "capitalism," while this country was still under the Soviet yoke?

As the once cheap labor force got richer, however, the Hungarian and Israeli programmers, among others, discovered that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence - in the West. So many skilled software developers upped and left their home countries in pursuit of higher salaries in America and Western Europe.

But while "free trade" assumes unrestricted movement of money and goods around the world, there is no such thing when it comes to "free labor movement." Most countries have more or less restrictive immigration laws, designed to protect the interests of their indigenous work force.

Up to a point, of course. For, lowering the domestic labor costs can be just as attractive to employers as is exporting jobs overseas, if not more so. Enter immigration.

Even if that Hungarian, Israeli or Russian programmer does not get an American or a Western European IT job on the first try, he/she will help lower the wages in those markets by merely competing for it. Which is why we have seen an unprecedented explosion of immigration from third world countries in the last several decades.

But that's a topic for another Annex Bulletin...

Meanwhile, let us hope that the sometimes volatile Indian political landscape, including occasional nuclear saber-rattling between Pakistan and the world's largest democracy, remains stable long enough for the western IT companies to cash in on their plans. Otherwise, the latest "Passage to India" passengers may end up like some on the "Ship of Fools" J [by Katharine Anne Porter (1890-1980), first published in 1962].

IBM, for one, should remember what happened with its investments in the former Soviet Union during a thaw in East-West relations in the 1970s, when the former IBM CEO (Tom Watson, Jr.) was the American ambassador to Moscow. (The money went down the drain after the USSR invaded Afghanistan in late 1979). Or perhaps that's a page from history the Big Blue would rather forget?

Happy bargain hunting!

Bob Djurdjevic


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ibm; india; nafta
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To: DoughtyOne
and now there is total hatred for corporations amongst the people who work there (still) and see this happening. this trend is destroying the entire US corporate structure as it relates to the relationship with the employee. trust me, most voters could care less if corporate taxes rise, even if they work at one of them. they see these practices, all taking place while corporate management lines their pockets, so they say "who cares". why argue for lower corporate taxes, show me any proof this would lead to a reduction in offshoring.
21 posted on 08/07/2003 8:34:17 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
The atmosphere isn't healthy for the corporations or the employees.
22 posted on 08/07/2003 8:47:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ("He's baaaaack!" Now is he on our side or the side of the (political bigger is better) machines.)
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To: A. Pole
Gore said that free trade would help increase the U.S. manufacturing base.

Of course it will. Indians and Malaysians and Chinese will manufacture more goods for American companies to sell to the American workers they are continuing to lay off.

23 posted on 08/07/2003 8:58:39 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: robowombat
US gives India assurance on outsourcing
24 posted on 08/07/2003 9:05:42 PM PDT by LayoutGuru2 (Call me paranoid but finding '/*' inside this comment makes me suspicious)
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To: A. Pole
Gore said that free trade would help increase the U.S. manufacturing base.

And Bush continues H1-B, L1 and policies supporting OPIC encouraging U.S. companies to invest outside the country.

How about some program cuts to go along with those tax cuts?

25 posted on 08/07/2003 9:13:21 PM PDT by UnBlinkingEye
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To: robowombat
Ross was right!
26 posted on 08/07/2003 9:22:34 PM PDT by Ed_in_NJ
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To: A. Pole
Al Outreach still thinks he was in the Carter administration, too.
27 posted on 08/07/2003 9:24:28 PM PDT by Ed_in_NJ
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To: Baseballguy
and by the time they are making 35k a year...they can outsource the jobs back to us.
28 posted on 08/07/2003 9:45:56 PM PDT by stylin19a (is it vietnam yet ?)
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To: snippy_about_it
Something our government and big business should take a serious look at.

Why should they? The way things are going, all you have to do is draw breath to be eligible to vote. Deep down, the pols don't give a damn where the money comes from. Tax revenue is tax revenue. Left is Right and Right is Left. They're all the same.

If they can stay in office while pandering to a new and loyal voting demographic it is a win/win for them. To hell with the rest of us. The Game is all about staying in power.

29 posted on 08/08/2003 4:07:12 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (®)
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To: angkor
Funny what H1-B labor does to management thinking.

They thought wrong.

Stipulations of an H1-B and L1 visa is that the incoming laborer does not displace an American worker. Or am I wrong? They should be held accountacle for this.

30 posted on 08/08/2003 4:09:30 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (®)
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To: opusprime
I predict this trend to be short lived.

From your keyboard to The Almighty's monitor. I hope you are right.

For blessed is this nation and her Republic...'twas His hand that molded it. We must ensure its survival.

31 posted on 08/08/2003 4:14:04 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (®)
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To: SAMWolf
I cut back on all my spending, enough people do that and what happens to the economy?

1929.

32 posted on 08/08/2003 4:16:04 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (®)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Well I was thinking the Right are the folks paying the most taxes. If all that is left to the pols is the left, imported and illegal workers their money might dwindle. And as far as big business, who would be buying?
33 posted on 08/08/2003 4:42:28 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: robowombat
It's a well planned strategy. With jobs leaving en-masse and immigration out of control, our job base cannot support what we have, much less the crowd spilling in through our borders illegally. Someone should try applying the dumping laws to these practices and put a stop to what's happening before we become a third world country with a memory of having been a superpower.
34 posted on 08/08/2003 4:43:22 AM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: snippy_about_it
"What in heavens name are they thinking will result from all this?"

They know exactly what will happen.

Does anyone else here see the parallels to the history of other countries? Once critical mass is reached, those who have been replaced with foreign workers will finally realize that they have nothing left to lose. The govt and business are working together to destroy our standard of living, and wiping out the lifelong efforts of the American worker for the sake of the next quarterly report. I'm not saying it is a conspiracy, but it doesn't matter.

Our corruption of govt is opening the door for some Lenin wanna-be to get the ear of all of these now unemployed/destitute workers.

That's when it hits the fan. I think that the govt realizes this somewhat. Why do you think they are trying so hard to disarm us?

35 posted on 08/08/2003 5:52:56 AM PDT by wcbtinman
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To: snippy_about_it
who is left to buy the products

The emerging world market, so they think.

They don't give two craps about America or Americans.

36 posted on 08/08/2003 5:56:09 AM PDT by banjo joe
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To: banjo joe
Sadly true. I'm just wishing that fact would bring them to ruin.
37 posted on 08/08/2003 5:59:25 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: wcbtinman
Does anyone else here see the parallels to the history of other countries?

I do. Just one of the reasons it is so important to study history.

38 posted on 08/08/2003 6:01:26 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: opusprime
On another thread, the H1B figures were disclosed. H1B visas are good for three years and can be renewed. The total visa approvals for the last three years (and thus the number of visa holders here) is 786,383 visas. This is much more than the total IT unemployment/underemployment figures. Per US dept of labor statistics, the TOTAL number of IT professionals in the US is 1.8 million. Granted that not all H1B's are in IT, but I think most are. THERE is your cause for IT unemployment right there
39 posted on 08/08/2003 6:22:58 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === needs a job at the moment)
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To: angkor
>So after 2 years of a 100 percent H1-B dev staff, what do you think management did? They looked at every other employee (customer support, sales engineering, etc) and did a mass layoff based solely on compensation level. That is, if you make more than $X, you're fired.

I take that this firing by compensation level did not include executive level employees.

40 posted on 08/08/2003 6:41:57 AM PDT by Dialup Llama
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