A Passage to India Services to Follow Manufacturing Jobs Exodus

Comprehensive Marketing Service ^ | July 22, 2003 | Bob Djurdjevic

[opusprime]

There is yet another side to this issue, and that is the H1B visa program. Not only are we shipping white collar jobs overseas, we are importing tens of thousands of Indians to take American jobs at home. While I respect these individuals, they are now doing the majority of the software development in the United States, and they are all here on H1B visas.

The H1B visa program should cease immediately, or at least until unemployment is back below 4%.

Full Disclosure, I work for one of the companies mentioned above.

[StatesEnemy]

Full Disclosure, I work for one of the companies mentioned above.

But for how much longer...?

[Question_Assumptions]

They need to stop giving out new H1B and L1 visas, but I don't think it would be good to try to cancel the existing visas.

[snippy_about_it]

The H1B visa program should cease immediately.

I agree completely. We have very few jobs left and importing workers doesn't help.

Something our government and big business should take a serious look at. After all, if you take all our good paying jobs away, who is left to pay their salaries via taxes and who is left to buy the products the companies makes.

They are biting the hand that feeds them, the American worker.

[angkor]

I know of a company holding 60 H1-B visas effective 2 years ago. Those visas represent the entire development staff in Silicon Valley and Austin, all making $55 to $65K annually (which in not the going rate for Sr. Software Developers in Silicon Valley).

So after 2 years of a 100 percent H1-B dev staff, what do you think management did? They looked at every other employee (customer support, sales engineering, etc) and did a mass layoff based solely on compensation level. That is, if you make more than $X, you're fired.

Funny what H1-B labor does to management thinking.

[neutrino]

Good post. And if we want to keep the House, the Senate, and the White House, our political leadership needs to take it to heart!

[Baseballguy]

What is sad about all this is, money. All this does in drain the dollar from the USA market to other countries. These people send money home. They dont buy American products!

I guess what will happen will there wont be any Americans with any money and the major companies will leave. Which will open up a market for small manufactures to build locally and start all over.

Or those countries now getting $5k a year will want $6k next year ect till everything balances out and everyone will be making $35k!

[warchild9]

Regardless of who's actually responsible, Bush will take the blame for this. Here in NC, IBM is talking elminating 100's of IT jobs and sending them overseas. I know many of those about to be laid-off, and they all say Gore has a chance, if he'll only run. Those hundreds of millions dollars in bribes, er, campaign contributions, that W is presently collecting is cushioning him from reality real good.

[TexasRepublic]

Multinational companies don't care about America. The domestic companies are run by executives who don't care about anything except their golden parachute. And the US government is infiltrated by many politicians and apparatchiks that are doing everything they can to quietly undermine this country.

[snippy_about_it]

Then they along with us will lose in the end. Unless of course they can find a way to get an increase in tax dollars from H1B workers taking the white collar jobs and illegals that are taking the blue and pink.

The politicians and government workers may be the last to go, but go they will. Look how high our taxes are now. What in heaven's name are they thinking will result from all this?

[opusprime]

Fortunately for me my job is to focus on corporate technology strategies, vision, and thought leadership (I know, I know, you cant tell by my posts :-) ).

The Indians I work with are better at straight forward tasks with a clear start and finish. They do not typically have many critical thinking skills, i.e., thinking outside the box. Americans have and will always excel at one thing... imagination.

Coporate America sees India as an endless supply of endentured servents. Indians are already beginning to realize this. I predict this trend to be short lived.

[opusprime]

Great points!!

I like the reverse psychology angle.

[opusprime]

I dont get the "if we keep it" logic.

We have control of the three "houses" of Government. Instead of "hoping" we keep them, why arent we doing what is right while we have them? What if we dont keep them? Then we'll all be saying... "damn, wish we had done something while we had the power".

This administration should assume they will not have full control, and make use of the present. If our values and positions are the right ones, they will bear fruit and re-election will be guaranteed.

IMO, this administration is not honoring my values as a Conservative. They can start with the $500 Billion a year debt, and I dont wanna hear any spin about 4% of GDP is an acceptable debt to bear.

[SAMWolf]

Something our government and big business should take a serious look at. After all, if you take all our good paying jobs away, who is left to pay their salaries via taxes and who is left to buy the products the companies makes.

Good point, I don't have a job, and I don't buy that new car, appliance or take that vacation. I cut back on all my spending, enough people do that and what happens to the economy?

[A. Pole]

NAFTA or Bust?

Gore said that free trade would help increase the U.S. manufacturing base.

"Free" trade bump.

[DoughtyOne]

Gore said that free trade would help increase the U.S. manufacturing base.

Atta boy Al.  Don't blow my theory about you.

[DoughtyOne]

Open war has been declared on US employees. Just plain and simple, total all out war!

[harpseal]

There is yet another side to this issue, and that is the H1B visa program. Not only are we shipping white collar jobs overseas, we are importing tens of thousands of Indians to take American jobs at home. While I respect these individuals, they are now doing the majority of the software development in the United States, and they are all here on H1B visas

I agree and every manager that has filled out the paperwork for an H1B visa in IT should be in jail alongside whoever ordered him to do it. I actually will give a pas to the perjurers who swore that no Americans were being displaced and no Americnas were available to fill thejobs if they rollover on their supreiors who ordered tem to do it.

[harpseal]

ping nothing really new here but it may generate some significant commentary.

As always on or off let me know.