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Bill would legalize foreign workers' status; Immigrants would get unwanted jobs
Times-Picayune ^ | August 06, 2003 | Bruce Alpert

Posted on 08/06/2003 7:08:49 AM PDT by twas

Edited on 07/14/2004 12:59:53 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Legislation that would give legal status to millions of nondocumented foreign workers is back before Congress for the first time since the issue was put on hold by the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., filed a bill last month that would allow guest workers into the United States to fill jobs that are not taken by Americans after being listed 14 days on Labor Department databases. Supporters say it would help businesses that have trouble hiring employees for jobs that many Americans don't want to do. After three years on a job, the guest workers could apply for residency status.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegals; immigrantlist; mccain; s1461
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1 posted on 08/06/2003 7:08:49 AM PDT by twas
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To: twas
Enforce the freakin' laws we already have on the books and send the illegals home!
2 posted on 08/06/2003 7:12:26 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: twas
This is a good idea as long as the Dims don't find a way to give these people the vote.
14 days is not long enough for a vacancy to remain open.
I would say 45 days minimum, else the cheap a**holes would abuse this. Currently in our market the cheapest labor is not immigrants but the urban underclass of all ethnic types stuck on public transport--urban slaves.
3 posted on 08/06/2003 7:15:25 AM PDT by steve8714
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To: twas
Supporters say it would help businesses that have trouble hiring employees for jobs that many Americans don't want to do. After three years on a job, the guest workers could apply for residency status.

At which time they can decline to do the jobs like the rest of us. We'll just import more...

How about (this is really radical) we POLITELY ask the millions on welfare to do some of these jobs to EARN their keep? Then, MAYBE, we won't need to import workers while we pay people to sit at home and do nothing!

4 posted on 08/06/2003 7:17:48 AM PDT by pgyanke (/ rant)
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To: twas
But its introduction is a signal that Congress may again be ready to deal with the issue...

Really, and if Congress goes ahead and legislates another amnesty for these lawbreakers then they may find the voters will be ready to replace them. Spencer Abraham learned in 2000 what happens when you thumb your nose at the will of the people and sell them out.

5 posted on 08/06/2003 7:18:00 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: twas
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., filed a bill last month that would allow guest workers into the United States to fill jobs that are not taken by Americans after being listed 14 days on Labor Department databases.

This is so easy to get around. Just put a description of the job and the qualifications that are so restrictive (eg Speak fluent Hindi - be open to 100% travel to India) that no one but the target can be hired.

6 posted on 08/06/2003 7:24:17 AM PDT by Dr Warmoose
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To: twas
This is an awful idea, and we are just opening ourselves to civil war. There are areas in the US now where Spanish is the primary language, and even in some of our schools we are teaching these people (in their own language) that we "stole" their land. We may or may not be beyond the point of no return at this point already, and the last thing we need to do is throw fuel on the fire.

What happens when these concentrated population groups decide they want to break off from the US? How many times throughout history have countries gone through civil wars over foreign population concentrations within their borders? And when we do end up in a civil war, do we really want the UN with France and their ilk to be coming into our countries as "Pease Keepers"?

I know I may be a little further to the right than many people, but the fact is that by distending our borders, we are relinquishing control over one of the primary aspects of a sovereign nation.

If a person is here illegally, let's not overlook the fact that they are breaking the law, making them criminals. Every single ILLEGAL immigrant is by DEFINITION a criminal, and thus should be incarcerated or deported.
7 posted on 08/06/2003 7:28:21 AM PDT by sc2_ct
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To: twas
RINO ALERT!
8 posted on 08/06/2003 7:30:54 AM PDT by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: Dr Warmoose
Bush did promise that he was going to protect the export of American jobs from the intervention of the individual states. So this crap was to be expected.

Wanted: Candidate must have advanced degrees in engineering and at least 10 years of progressive experience working with specific widgets for consideration. Pay: $10,000/year (hmmmmm.....we can't seem to find an American to take the job).

John McCain = Traitor....eh free trader.
9 posted on 08/06/2003 7:33:21 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: sc2_ct

Don't worry. Your country's being abolished, but that's not important so long as the commander in chief looks OK in a flight suit.

10 posted on 08/06/2003 7:59:46 AM PDT by dagnabbit (Shielding Guilty Saudis = Accessory After the Fact.)
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To: twas
No brainer. Its ALWAYS a bad idea to reward illegal activity.

Besides, any legislation that purports to get a handle on illegal immigrants currently in the country but doesn't provide for airtight border & inland immigration enforcement isn't worth the paper its written on.

11 posted on 08/06/2003 8:40:18 AM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: gubamyster; madfly
ping
12 posted on 08/06/2003 8:52:53 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: twas
The INS could care less. Felons, child molesters, wife beaters, illegals run the gamut.

Alert the INS and what do they do? Not a damn thing. If the person is illegal and has applied for a residency permit (most are visa overstays) the INS takes a hands-off approach.

Morons.
13 posted on 08/06/2003 8:53:52 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (There is nothing Democratic about the Democrat party.)
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To: Bikers4Bush
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., filed a bill last month that would allow guest workers into the United States to fill jobs that are not taken by Americans after being listed 14 days on Labor Department databases

Those same jobs should be filled with former welfare recipients and the illegals sent back to their country of origin.
14 posted on 08/06/2003 9:08:38 AM PDT by Jason_b
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To: *immigrant_list; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; madfly; B4Ranch; ..
PING
15 posted on 08/06/2003 9:16:20 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: twas
As I said on another post about this law, it amounts to the complete elimination of our Southern border. Our leaders have gotten above their raising. They consider themselves to be a breed apart, world leaders who don't care what they rule as long as they do rule.

The present immigration situation isn't about economics, it is about race and power. The people who conceived and pushed the Immigration Reform Act of 1965, such as Ted Kennedy, Philip Hart, and Emmanuel Celler, didn't pass it because they believed it was good for the economy, they passed it because they burned with hatred for American society, both political and cultural.

The purveyors of this program know how to sell it to the fragmented remains of American society: Appeal to their greed. A process made easier by the Official Opposition Conservatives who don't conserve anything and have long since become nothing but PR flacks for Wall Street.

Immigrants will drive Americans out of industries, just as slaves drive out free workers. Massive immigration, in other words, causes or aggravates the so-called "Jobs Americans Won't Do" thing. The analogy to slavery is probably apt, and I suspect that when the dust clears it will be shown that the present immigration policies economically (and temporarily) mainly benefit the few at the expense of the many.

People who go on about "jobs Americans won't do" display a real hatred for their fellow Americans. A society at war with itself. Some of this is class-based, and some of it is race-based. Certainly the elite love these Central American maids, pool cleaners, and other workers, because they don't want blacks in their houses or factories.

These immigrants don't really have a stronger work ethic than the natives. In many cases just the opposite is true. It's just that if you are used to working for, say, $10 an hour and suddenly another company offered to pay you $50 an hour you too would be an enthusiastic worker, at least until you got used to it. Then you'd probably go on strike for $55. Certainly your children would. Hispanic communities in this country have higher rates of unemployment, welfare use, crime and other problems than the population in general. All this public jabbering about how hard working, and how socially conservative and culturally wonderful they are amounts to no more than politically correct racial stereotyping. The need to do this sort of thing reveals the nature of the game.

16 posted on 08/06/2003 9:34:32 AM PDT by jordan8
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To: jordan8
One of the best posts I've seen in a long time.

The analogy to slavery is probably apt

It's almost exact. I've had growers in the Pajaro valley (Watsonville, CA) tell me that the best thing about their illegal employees is that they cannot vote. This from a person who was on the local Republican central committee. In short, even though they are not chattel slaves, they are disenfranchised slaves, unable to do anything about their own economic situation.

This is against the principles of the real Republican party which was founded on Free Soil, Free Labor issues, and stood in opposition to the immoral competitive advantage that the plantation owners had. I've come to the conclusion that maybe amnesty would be a good thing: then the employers breaking the rules would have no incentive to hire "illegals", because in short order, the illegals would be legal and begin voting for socialist legislation, aimed at the employers themselves. At which point the whole thing would stop.

In addition, your comment about Hart, Cellar and of course dear Teddy are dead on. They knew what they were unleashing, which came from their bottomless spite and hatred for the society they found themselves in, and did not have the character to leave, but rather went on a psychotic jihad to destroy it.

17 posted on 08/06/2003 10:03:47 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: twas
What is with these kamakasi RINOs in FORMERLLY conservative Arizona?

"Gee, all the immigrants we're importing are giving us lotsa new Democrats, but the Dems still don't have complete power. Let's open the borders completely and give citizenship to all!"

Methinks Arizona voters better respond by "importing" their politicians from Colorado!

18 posted on 08/06/2003 10:57:53 AM PDT by BillyBoy (George Ryan deserves a long term....without parole.)
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What is with these kamakasi RINOs in FORMERLLY conservative Arizona?

Refugees from Lost Angeles who can't stop themselves from voting for Dims. It's a suicide thing.

19 posted on 08/06/2003 11:21:10 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: BillyBoy
Politically if the GOP goes along with this long-term they would be importing their demise. McCain and Kolbe must know that, so it does make you wonder what their motivations are.
20 posted on 08/06/2003 11:26:58 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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