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Hey I believe in God and carry a Bible, but I also openly believe in sex before and outside of marriage, and oh ya, I think murder's ok (if you declare it openly). Can I become a leader of the Christian church? /s

what defines a Christian? hmmm

what defines a Christian? hmmm

Former Episcopalian Bishop of Newark, John Shelby Spong, did not believe in the divinity of Jesus.

Can you imagine what your children learn in Episcopal Sunday School?

We used to be Episcopalian but had to leave when it became clear the degree to which the church had defined deviancy down and lost any moral or spiritual footing whatsoever. It is simply time for Christians to abandon many of the old mainline churches and to join up with the smaller but spiritually sound, conservative Anglican, Presbytarian and other churches. Pull your tithes and your children and put them where they will grow in biblical truth!

"Hey I believe in God and carry a Bible, but I also openly believe in sex before and outside of marriage, and oh ya, I think murder's ok (if you declare it openly). Can I become a leader of the Christian church? /s
what defines a Christian? hmmm"

You bring out an important point. The problem of the secularization of the church does not just apply to the Bishop situation..It is rampant in nearly all denominations and has been rapidly advancing, in my experience, since the 1980s. Sometimes the best thing to do in a bad situation is just to pull out, let the organization fail and then start over. The Bible and the sources used in other religions are very specific about leadership qualifications and it is not cruel to those who choose to go outside those boundaries to say, "That is your choice to make but if you do, you cannot serve in a position of leadership or authority in this institution." In fact, if we do not hold to strict principles about this as our faith dictates, the church will lose all it's power and it will become just another secular organization. I fear we are just about there already and I firmly believe that this Episcopalian group is working feverishly for a political cause, not a spiritual one.