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Posted on 08/05/2003 12:00:21 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

Officials confirm dropping firebombs on Iraqi troops

Results are 'remarkably similar' to using napalm

By James W. Crawley UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

August 5, 2003

American jets killed Iraqi troops with firebombs – similar to the controversial napalm used in the Vietnam War – in March and April as Marines battled toward Baghdad.

Marine Corps fighter pilots and commanders who have returned from the war zone have confirmed dropping dozens of incendiary bombs near bridges over the Saddam Canal and the Tigris River. The explosions created massive fireballs.

Mark 77 Firebomb "We napalmed both those (bridge) approaches," said Col. James Alles in a recent interview. He commanded Marine Air Group 11, based at Miramar Marine Corps Air Station, during the war. "Unfortunately, there were people there because you could see them in the (cockpit) video.

"They were Iraqi soldiers there. It's no great way to die," he added. How many Iraqis died, the military couldn't say. No accurate count has been made of Iraqi war casualties.

The bombing campaign helped clear the path for the Marines' race to Baghdad.

During the war, Pentagon spokesmen disputed reports that napalm was being used, saying the Pentagon's stockpile had been destroyed two years ago.

Apparently the spokesmen were drawing a distinction between the terms "firebomb" and "napalm." If reporters had asked about firebombs, officials said yesterday they would have confirmed their use.

What the Marines dropped, the spokesmen said yesterday, were "Mark 77 firebombs." They acknowledged those are incendiary devices with a function "remarkably similar" to napalm weapons.

Rather than using gasoline and benzene as the fuel, the firebombs use kerosene-based jet fuel, which has a smaller concentration of benzene.

Hundreds of partially loaded Mark 77 firebombs were stored on pre-positioned ammunition ships overseas, Marine Corps officials said. Those ships were unloaded in Kuwait during the weeks preceding the war.

"You can call it something other than napalm, but it's napalm," said John Pike, defense analyst with GlobalSecurity.org, a nonpartisan research group in Alexandria, Va.

Although many human rights groups consider incendiary bombs to be inhumane, international law does not prohibit their use against military forces. The United States has not agreed to a ban against possible civilian targets.

"Incendiaries create burns that are difficult to treat," said Robert Musil, executive director of Physicians for Social Responsibility, a Washington group that opposes the use of weapons of mass destruction.

Musil described the Pentagon's distinction between napalm and Mark 77 firebombs as "pretty outrageous."

"That's clearly Orwellian," he added.

Developed during World War II and dropped on troops and Japanese cities, incendiary bombs have been used by American forces in nearly every conflict since. Their use became controversial during the Vietnam War when U.S. and South Vietnamese aircraft dropped millions of pounds of napalm. Its effects were shown in a Pulitzer Prize-winning photograph of Vietnamese children running from their burned village.

Before March, the last time U.S. forces had used napalm in combat was the Persian Gulf War, again by Marines.

During a recent interview about the bombing campaign in Iraq, Marine Corps Maj. Gen. Jim Amos confirmed aircraft dropped what he and other Marines continue to call napalm on Iraqi troops on several occasions. He commanded Marine jet and helicopter units involved in the Iraq war and leads the Miramar-based 3rd Marine Air Wing.

Miramar pilots familiar with the bombing missions pointed to at least two locations where firebombs were dropped.

Before the Marines crossed the Saddam Canal in central Iraq, jets dropped several firebombs on enemy positions near a bridge that would become the Marines' main crossing point on the road toward Numaniyah, a key town 40 miles from Baghdad.

Next, the bombs were used against Iraqis near a key Tigris River bridge, north of Numaniyah, in early April.

There were reports of another attack on the first day of the war.

Two embedded journalists reported what they described as napalm being dropped on an Iraqi observation post at Safwan Hill overlooking the Kuwait border.

Reporters for CNN and the Sydney (Australia) Morning Herald were told by unnamed Marine officers that aircraft dropped napalm on the Iraqi position, which was adjacent to one of the Marines' main invasion routes.

Their reports were disputed by several Pentagon spokesmen who said no such bombs were used nor did the United States have any napalm weapons.

The Pentagon destroyed its stockpile of napalm canisters, which had been stored near Camp Pendleton at the Fallbrook Naval Weapons Station, in April 2001.

Yesterday military spokesmen described what they see as the distinction between the two types of incendiary bombs. They said mixture used in modern firebombs is a less harmful mixture than Vietnam War-era napalm.

"This additive has significantly less of an impact on the environment," wrote Marine spokesman Col. Michael Daily, in an e-mailed information sheet provided by the Pentagon.

He added, "many folks (out of habit) refer to the Mark 77 as 'napalm' because its effect upon the target is remarkably similar."

In the e-mail, Daily also acknowledged that firebombs were dropped near Safwan Hill.

Alles, who oversaw the Safwan bombing raid, said 18 one-ton satellite-guided bombs, but no incendiary bombs, were dropped on the site.

Military experts say incendiary bombs can be an effective weapon in certain situations.

Firebombs are useful against dug-in troops and light vehicles, said GlobalSecurity's Pike.

"I used it routinely in Vietnam," said retired Marine Lt. Gen. Bernard Trainor, now a prominent defense analyst. "I have no moral compunction against using it. It's just another weapon."

And, the distinctive fireball and smell have a psychological impact on troops, experts said.

"The generals love napalm," said Alles, who has transferred to Washington. "It has a big psychological effect."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aftermathanalysis; deadiraqisoldiers; firebombs; iraq; mark77; napalm
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1 posted on 08/05/2003 12:00:21 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
Posted here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/958641/posts
2 posted on 08/05/2003 12:01:20 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day
Dead is dead.
3 posted on 08/05/2003 12:07:18 PM PDT by Wu
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To: Wu
And I understand that -- even to this day! -- we're using high-RPM spinning kinetic-kill devices made of toxic lead, that just rip holes through people!

(aka "bullets")

4 posted on 08/05/2003 12:13:29 PM PDT by DWPittelli
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To: Sub-Driver
You can call it something other than napalm, but it's napalm...

No: it is very close to napalm; it can't get any closer than napalm; for all intents and purposes it is similar to napalm... The ways to speak more accurately are legion.

Hey, if it saved some of our guys being lost, then I have no problem. At least they didn't run a couple of jets into buildings that held thousands of civilians.

5 posted on 08/05/2003 12:13:39 PM PDT by Ruth A.
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To: Wu
The old "link to napalm to vietnam to US military is evil to outraged Americans kept in the dark" trick...

Sorry, try again.
6 posted on 08/05/2003 12:15:24 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (call me paranoid)
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To: Ruth A.
Nope, it's not napalm.......this new stuff just doesn't stick to stuff as well.(:^)
7 posted on 08/05/2003 12:21:03 PM PDT by Robe
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To: Sub-Driver
The worst part is the Pentagon's Orwellian effort to avoid calling the weapons by their right names. At the very least, this stuff sounds like Napalm Lite.
8 posted on 08/05/2003 12:23:37 PM PDT by ArcLight
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To: Sub-Driver
"They were Iraqi soldiers there. It's no great way to die,"

Profound. What does he want. a kinder gentler way to die in war?

Maybe we could have fed the Iraqi troops through the shredder or to the lions.

9 posted on 08/05/2003 12:24:24 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: Sub-Driver
Dang, those pesky rules of engagement! Should have been politically correct and just used more of these babies!


10 posted on 08/05/2003 12:34:18 PM PDT by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: ArcLight
The worst part is the Pentagon's Orwellian effort to avoid calling the weapons by their right names.

What is so "Orwellian" about that? Napalm, technically, is comprised of naptha and palm oil. It hasn't been used since the Korean war. Other concoctions burn better and are more stable and efficient. Nuclear weapons burn, fuel air bombs burn. Conventional munitions develop their effects through large exothermic reactions.

Is the Pentagon "Orwellian" for not pointing that out? Or is the press baiting the whimpy handwringers craving for another Vietnam?

11 posted on 08/05/2003 12:39:43 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: pfflier
"You can call it something other than napalm, but it's napalm," said John Pike, defense analyst with GlobalSecurity.org, a nonpartisan research group in Alexandria, Va.

It depends upon what your definition of "is" is ..... *endscarc*
12 posted on 08/05/2003 12:46:05 PM PDT by SpinnerWebb
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To: Constitution Day

"Incendiaries create burns that are difficult to treat," said Robert Musil, executive director of Physicians for Social Responsibility, a Washington group that opposes the use of weapons of mass destruction.

A bullet to the head is difficult to treat as well.


13 posted on 08/05/2003 12:47:58 PM PDT by azcap
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To: Sub-Driver
Is that kind of like the 'jet fuel' napalm that was used to impale WTC Towers #1 North and #2 South????????????? Resulting in 2,000+ civilian casualties?????????????

If so, please excuse my inattendance from this thread.......
14 posted on 08/05/2003 12:54:59 PM PDT by joanil
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To: ArcLight
The worst part is the Pentagon's Orwellian effort to avoid calling the weapons by their right names. At the very least, this stuff sounds like Napalm Lite

How is it "Orwellian" to say that something isn't "napalm" when it [i]isn't[/i] napalm? "Napalm" is a rather specifically defined substance with specific qualities. Here's a link:

http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic919.htm

The stuff used in Iraq had some similarities to napalm, but some differences. It wasn't napalm, any more than a VT fuse is the same as a time fuze. The tactical usage may be similar, but the actual items are not the same. In fact, I could honestly see the military calling it napalm, and then have someone come out and accuse them of misidentifying the stuff that was actually used.

15 posted on 08/05/2003 12:55:23 PM PDT by XJarhead
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To: Sub-Driver
Whatever
16 posted on 08/05/2003 1:05:28 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: SpinnerWebb
*reopen sarc* "You can call it something other than napalm, but it's napalm," said John Pike, defense analyst with GlobalSecurity.org, a nonpartisan research group in Alexandria, Va.

It depends upon what your definition of "is" is .....

Ignorance of omission is forgivable if something is learned. Ignorance of comission is unpardonable because it is intended to deceive. *endscarc*

17 posted on 08/05/2003 1:08:49 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: GalaxieFiveHundred
Missing from the lineup is 'Fat Man/Little Boy'
18 posted on 08/05/2003 1:09:51 PM PDT by joanil
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To: pfflier; Howlin; Ragtime Cowgirl
Oh....

I'm sorry.

I thought a government-funded "non-partisan research group" WAS actually non-partisan.

Not a bunch of screaming shills for the international socialist union of "peace-loving" nations-who-never-met-acommunist-they-didn't-love ....
19 posted on 08/05/2003 1:14:39 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Sub-Driver
The thing that really sucks about napalm; it sticks to the darn hot dogs and ruins your entire cookout.
20 posted on 08/05/2003 1:17:23 PM PDT by .cnI redruM ("If you think no one cares about you, try skipping next month's car payment" - Daily Zen)
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