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Interviewed by Couric, Pro-Robinson Bishop Says "We Respond to 'Reason,' Not only to Scripture"
The Today Show

Posted on 08/05/2003 4:38:17 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

In the wake of sexual misconduct allegations against Gene Robinson that have postponed a vote on his candidacy for Episcopal Bishop of New Hampshire, Today Show host Katie Couric just completed an interview with two bishops with opposing views on the issue.

Bishop Thomas Shaw of Massachusetts is a strong supporter of Robinson's elevation. Bishop Edward Salmon of S. Carolina is opposed.

The most telling exchange came in response to Couric's question as to why or why not Robinson should be elected Bishop.

Bishop Salmon stated: "The answer is simple. Robinson's election would violate the tradition of the Church, the teaching of Scripture, and the constitution of the Church."

Given an opportunity to respond, did Bishop Shaw contest Salmon's reading of Scripture or the Episcopal constitution? Not at all.

Shaw's response: "We don't only respond to Scripture. We respond to reason, and to Jesus's message of love. This is a new time."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts; US: New Hampshire; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: episcopal; gaybishop; gayswishop; religiousleft; scripture
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
you are absolutely right!
81 posted on 08/05/2003 6:19:19 AM PDT by midnightcat
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Absolutely ... I knew there had to be a link
82 posted on 08/05/2003 6:23:30 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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To: clamper1797
I got the info you asked for ....

Thanks! I'll look into it.

These clowns have nothing to do with religion and everything to do with a political agenda ... IMHO

I think you're right. I'm not very religious(with this kind of thing going on, it only makes it harder), but I find the whole situation across the spectrum of religions these days very sad. It seems like the leaders either have political agendas like these guys, or are over the top wackos. It's similar to government, in many ways. : (

83 posted on 08/05/2003 6:26:19 AM PDT by StriperSniper (Make South Korea an island)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
We respond to reason

LOL

84 posted on 08/05/2003 6:26:34 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: StriperSniper
I'm not very religious(with this kind of thing going on, it only makes it harder)

Actually .... I think that's the plan .... conceived by the entity who would do such things ... if ya know what and who I mean .....

85 posted on 08/05/2003 6:33:36 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"We Respond to 'Reason,' Not only to Scripture"

Swearing total lifelong obedience to an invisible old man with unlimited magical powers, who talks to you but nobody can hear, who is everywhere but nobody can see, and whose stories have trouble coinciding with acheological and geological science... seems rather 'unreasonable'. Maybe the Bishop will give up that minor part of his religion as well. Faith certainly doesn't seem to play much of a part in it, anyway.

86 posted on 08/05/2003 6:35:37 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: clamper1797
Could it be......the 'Church Lady' would know. ;-)
87 posted on 08/05/2003 6:37:15 AM PDT by StriperSniper (Make South Korea an island)
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To: N. Theknow
"Because Jesus's blood covered the old law."

I thought Jesus came to fulfill the old law, not to cover it. What exactly do you mean by "cover?" Why would a perfect God revise His laws, or need to have his Son's blood "cover" them?
88 posted on 08/05/2003 6:37:53 AM PDT by reasonseeker
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To: verity
Not sure who's who... As I've said in other posts, I've met the two of them briefly. I didn't spend enough time with them to tell who pitches and who catches...
89 posted on 08/05/2003 6:40:16 AM PDT by LoneConservative
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To: Teacher317
Your response doesn't make sense. If 5 million people have the same encounter, you cannot dismiss it as merely a coincidental hallucination. It would stand to reason that if there WERE an omnipotent God who created the universe, he could pretty much do anything He wants. It is certainly more logical than trying to prove a negative (God doesn't exist)

If an atheist falls down the steps and he can't prove it to anyone, did he really fall down the steps?

90 posted on 08/05/2003 6:40:29 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: reasonseeker
Why would a perfect God revise His laws

Because an imperfect man kept screwing them up.

91 posted on 08/05/2003 6:41:09 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: StriperSniper
Who's the "Church Lady" ????
92 posted on 08/05/2003 6:48:30 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
This is a new time."

It's Homo time?

Who the hell declared it Homo time?

93 posted on 08/05/2003 6:51:23 AM PDT by Rome2000 (Convicted felons for Kerry, McCarthy was right!)
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To: clamper1797
She was a character on SNL who did an advice show skit. Her answer to where all problems came from was "Could it be.....Satan?!?!". I only saw it once or twice, so somebody else might be able to fill you in better. I forgot that I'm not the only one who tends to be clueless to pop culture. ;-)
94 posted on 08/05/2003 6:53:26 AM PDT by StriperSniper (Make South Korea an island)
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To: Teacher317
...and whose stories have trouble coinciding with acheological and geological science... seems rather 'unreasonable'

I hope you will humor me...I want to confine my question to other than the "fossil record". I don't want to turn this into an evo thread, they typically degrade into flame wars, and I think the bone debate has been over-done enough elsewhere. I want to ask about the uncovering of tells(sp?), buried cities, etc.; digs that confirm or refute more recent history.

Could you give some instances where scripture and archeological evidence are in disagreement? Thanks.

95 posted on 08/05/2003 6:55:37 AM PDT by 70times7 (An open mind is a cesspool of thought)
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To: Rome2000
Who the hell declared it Homo time?

Hollywood, MTV, liberal churches, our colleges and universitites, the Democratic Party, a six member majority of SCOTUS . . . .

96 posted on 08/05/2003 6:57:06 AM PDT by Kevin Curry (Put Justice Janice Rogers Brown on the Supreme Court--NOW)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Bishop Salmon stated: "The answer is simple. Robinson's election would violate the tradition of the Church, the teaching of Scripture, and the constitution of the Church."

Sounds like a wise man.

Shaw's response: "We don't only respond to Scripture. We respond to reason, and to Jesus's message of love. This is a new time."

Another one of those "the church must change" types. It's not the church that needs to change, it's the people.

97 posted on 08/05/2003 6:57:38 AM PDT by al_c
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To: Kevin Curry
Who the hell declared it Homo time?

EXACTLY

98 posted on 08/05/2003 6:58:44 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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To: sirchtruth
Suppose this was an fornicator?

If this guy was a fornicator we would not elect him as a bishop, just a president.

99 posted on 08/05/2003 7:01:42 AM PDT by 70times7 (An open mind is a cesspool of thought)
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To: mewzilla
Not this Catholic. I think you need to get some new friends!
100 posted on 08/05/2003 7:02:06 AM PDT by CWW
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