Cleveland: Police want bigger guns. Mayor refuses fears it would upset residents

The Cincinnati Enquirer ^ | Aug 03, 2003 | The Associated Press

[Lion Den Dan]

The 9mm with good bullets works as well as any other hand gun. The trouble is most police officers are poor shots don't practice enough nor train enough. ***

The 9mm is nothing more than a poor coyp of a .38 Special. Every time it is used, it exhibits it incapability. That cops do not train enough is true enough.

[Just another Joe]

Headline

Residents want bigger guns also.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

****Residents want bigger guns also.***

Why don't they all, residents and police just order some pills off a porn web site?

[Shooter 2.5]

You may be thinking of a 9MM from over 75 years ago.

Corbon 9mm+P/115gr JHP 1350fps 91% one shot stops

[cmsgop]

Ping

[ZviTheWise]

"she's afraid of upsetting residents who don't trust officers, police union president Bob Beck said"

"Those darn citizens owe us an apology... and they'd better make it snappy" Beck added.

[Plutarch]

"This is the most powerful handgun in the world..."

"....and the recoil will blow my hand clean off."

[CGTRWK]

Marshall and Sanow stats are proven BS. 115gr +P+ from Corbon or anyone else is about the worst load there is in 9mm.

[Fee]

Give me 9mm Jacketed Hollow Points, and the guy you hit will go down. Unfortunately most police forces cannot use hollow points, but full metal jacketed rounds.

[Vinnie]

I wonder if Bryce ever was assigned to the American Embassy in Havana.

I had a Cuban friend in Fla that related to me he used to go to the local carnival in Havana ( pre- Castro). An FBI agent assigned to the Embassy would spend time at the shooting arcade and demonstrate to the kids his ability to draw and fire his revolver in a blur. My friend said he was the best he had ever seen.

[Monty22]

Winchester Ranger Talons are also very very good 9mm's. Supposed to be law enforcement only, but easy to find.. And legal to own.

Best 9mm there is I think, with Corbon up there too.

[Gritty]

What a great story.

Thanks for posting it!

[Shooter 2.5]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/955389/posts?q=1&&page=301


Thank Eaker for the Article. I think it was on post 285.

[Shooter 2.5]

I didn't get that from Marshall and Sanow.

It's just one example that ammo has changed in the last 75 years.

[Shooter 2.5]

The law enforcement officers we had back then were definitely a different breed than we have now.

I had a friend remark some time ago when he was out prairie hunting. He said that even a couple of days living with a rifle close at hand sharpened up his skills. He said he could imagine what 24/7 for years would do.

[CGTRWK]

Deciding some cartridge delivers "xx percent one shot stops" is Marshall and Sanow's brand of junk science.

[Shooter 2.5]

If you gather X number of shootings with a particular load and find out it stopped a criminal Y number of times, you can find out the percentage.

If you understand the next experiment was with goats, that they shot X number of goats with a particular load and find out it stopped the goats Y number of times, you can find out the percentage.

ETC.

[tubebender]

You had best get over here and read this. (in other words...Ping)

[Lion Den Dan]

91% one shot stops ******

You are welcome to your belief. I hope you never have the opportunity to discover how wrong you are.