China Getting Ready for Severe Blitzkrieg

Pravda ^ | 08.01.02

[Dr. Marten]

[Dr. Marten]

Ping!

[appalachian_dweller]

I'm not an economist, but a good way to reduce this threat is for the USA to stop all trade w/ China. China is using the money pumped into it from the USA to modernize their military.

We need to re-establish manufacturing here in the USA. When's the last time anyone saw a pair of gloves made in the US?

[Final Authority]

Stories like this ring as wishful thinking by Russia. What better scenario than to have ones rivals destroy each other over something so trite as No. Korea.

[Nick Danger]

Beijing is speedily increasing the missile potential of its armed forces and increases the army budget. The Pentagon says the main factor of this alleged operation must be "unexpectedness, cunning and shock".

Have the Russians gone stupid? If the Chinese are building up their military, making lots of missiles, and presumably following Sun Tzu with regards to deception and cunning, then why believe that the target is Taiwan? What if it's the area from Vladivostok to Khabarovsk?

[Dr. Marten]

This comes after recent reports from the Pentagon stating the same thing...have they gone mad too?

[Orion78]

Russia, China sign historic friendship treaty (7/16/01)

"Russia acknowledges that there is only one China, the government of the People's Republic of China is the only legitimate government representing all of China, and Taiwan is an inalienable part of China," the treaty said. "Russia opposes any kind of independence for Taiwan."

Russia will guarantee the security of North Korea (4/10/03)

"Of course, this is possible only if Pyongyang receives complete and absolute guarantees for its security," he continued. "If the question arises about if Russia is ready to give such guarantees of safety, then Russia is ready," said the Russian minister of defense.

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Russia to hold military drills with China:1st time in more than 30 years (4/28/02)
US accuses Russia and China over North Korea bomb (10/19/02)
Russia and China block US efforts to condemn North Korea's nuclear stance (4/11/03)

[tet68]

Folks need to keep in mind, that Okinawa, while Americans
are stationed there, is really Japanese.

Layers upon layers.

[Jeff Head]

Not unexpected.

I wrote about this in 2001 in Volume I of Dragon's Fury Series.

If the Chinese go for Taiwan, they will almost certainly try and neutralize Okinawa as well as any carriers we have in the vicinity.

It is clear that they can reach Okinawa with their ballistic missiles and hopefully the newest batch Patriot missiles can have some effect...followed up (hopefully soon) with our TBM.

But, the big task for them remains our carriers and subs. Without some form of "super weapon" like I introduce in the large super-cavitating weapon in the series that the Chinese unexpectedly employ, the Chinese attempts will fail as long as we control the seas with the power of the CVN's and SSN's IMHO.

Best regards.

[Jeff Head]

... and wheels within wheels.

[Dr. Marten]

 

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Comments on 'China Getting Ready for Severe Blitzkrieg'

Donald Lee Granberry, August 1, 2003

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I often refer to him as "Boob Enough" (see China Getting Ready for Severe Blitzkrieg, Pravda). Unkind of me, I know. Look, the US and China are not THAT much at odds. Who do you suppose supported the US granting China getting MFNT status prior to his election? Yes, it was George Bush.

Two point: 1) China already owns Taiwan. 2) China already owns Korea. Don't believe me? Ask Beijing and Washington. Better yet, take a look at current investment flows and marketing in those three countries. The US has no hope whatsoever of maintaining any kind of dominating influence in either Taiwan or Korea. Our influence there will all but disappear before this coming decade comes to a close. No one with half of brain doubts that anywhere in the world.

This current crisis is the result of one thing and one thing alone. Kim Jong-il's pursuit of nuclear arms coupled with his long history of stirring up trouble for the United States. I daresay, that the Bush Administration would gladly standby and hold Hu Jintao's coat if he decided to invade the DPRK. Nor would anyone be overly upset if the ROK became a wholly owned subsidiary of Beijing. That is going to happen anyway.

What the United States cannot and will not tolerate is a nuclear armed DPRK ruled by the current regime. A reunified Korea under the Kim Dynasty is unacceptable. On the other hand, a unified Korea under the thumb of Beijing might not be such a terrible thing. Certainly, a Korea led by Beijing would be preferable to war. Perhaps Seoul would prefer dealing with Beijing to dealing with Washington. Who can say? At least the relationship between Korea and China has a long history.

I know you will not like reading this, and I will offer my sympathies. What I won't do, however, is tell you anything other than what I believe to be the truth. Korea, as independently minded, proud and tough as its people are, is not large enough to stand alone in this world without help from the United States and Japan. Yes, I did say JAPAN, and I meant it. (The Japanese and the Koreans hate each other like genuine kinfolks. Only an intra-family squabble can be as bad and last for as long as what goes on between Koreans and Japanese.) Korea now stands at a historical crossroad. It seems to me that Korea will now become a part of the Chinese hegemony. I can see no reason for the US to make an attempt at preventing this.

[Nick Danger]

This comes after recent reports from the Pentagon stating the same thing...have they gone mad too?

The Pentagon worries about Taiwan. Defending Russia is Russia's problem. Neither should trust the Chinese to be planning what they appear to be planning.

[Dr. Marten]

That is true, but I dont expect that the Chinese would deplete their munitions over Russia when Taiwan is the main issue on thier whacky agenda

[joesnuffy]

Making the USA dependent upon Chinese slave labor assures the Chinese that in any international conflict the US business community will not stand for any action against their own interests in mainland Communist China..

China is able to use US business as a shield..while Americans live in a "delusion" of wealth by being able to surround themselves with cheap Chinese slave produced consumer luxuries..they could never afford if these same good were manufactured in the USA

Adios..Syanara...Arivaderci

[Orion78]

"The failure of US policy makers to comprehend the veiled aggressiveness and hostility towards the United States inherent in Sino-Russian strategy and the belief that the political and economic reforms in Russia and the partial introduction of capitalism in China have foreshadowed these countries' development into real democracies, have eroded the effectiveness of US policies in the foreign affairs, defence, intelligence and counter-intelligence fields. US policymakers have recklessly accepted the premise that Russia and China are no longer their enemies, but are rather potential allies and partners fully deserving of US support. Only countries like Iran, Iraq and North Korea - which (ironically, in this context) work secretly with Russia and China - are still considered potential adversaries.

US policymakers should urgently re-examine their assumptions about the 'progress' of Russia and China 'towards democracy'. They should take account of Sino-Russian strategy and should recognize that the long-term strategic, political and economic threat comes from a Sino-Russian axis and associated participants like North Korea, Iran, Iraq and Syria. The Russian and Chinese leaders are still committed to their objective of world domination and believe that, disguised as 'democrats', in accordance with Leninist teaching, they will be able to achieve it..."

[Lazamataz]

Nowadays, the Russian press has a tendency to tell it like it is, and the American press has devolved to a propaganda arm.

Our roles have reversed.

[P.O.E.]

The Pentagon says the main factor of this alleged operation must be "unexpectedness, cunning and shock"

"And a fanatical dedication to the pope.

No, wait. Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms - Oh d@mn!"

[Arkinsaw]

Nowadays, the Russian press has a tendency to tell it like it is

The Russian press reads more like The Weekly World News.

[Princeliberty]

The Chinse will attack before the end of the decade.
The decline of the world economy is going to get worse
and when it does China's exports will drop
and their economy will begin to fall apart.
The regime knows that the economy crumbling
would finish their regime.
So to save the regime they will launch a nationalistic
war trying to use that to gain the following
of the people.

Esp. since we have our military cut too small
and stretched too thin encouraging the Chinse.


China will fail in the end, however problems
with are military esp. our high command will
be shown in the deaths of thousands of our troops.

Our submarines and our Jets will save the day.
Esp. even with China building up its Airforce
and air defense. The Chinse pilots will be
very inferior to ours and thus they will
quickly lose the air war.
That's going to the story of the ware the
poor quality of the personal of China's military
and their poor training. That's what will
cost them to lose.
And Taiwan going to surprise everybody with
the fight they will put up.


Okinawa could be a Pearl Harbor though a lot
of our guys get killed right off the bat.

And I do worry about our carriers as well.

I expect they may hit them hard, I doubt they
will bring one down, but they may do a lot
of damage.

Okinawa though is not a moving target I
see it getting hammered.

They may even hit Tokyo because of the harm
it would to do to the Western economy.