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To: unspun; RightWhale; Alamo-Girl; Phaedrus; Doctor Stochastic; Right Wing Professor; Physicist; ...
Order is statistical.

Order is statistical? Intrinsically??? Or is it that quantum epistemological technique requires us to "sample" nature through the mathematical sciences, preeminently statistics? But what is "really real": Nature -- the universe -- or statistics? Or is the "tool" we use -- statistics -- everything there is, or at least everything that "matters?"

IMHO, you absolutely need this epistemology. But the "complementary" of epistemology -- it seems to me -- is ontology.

542 posted on 08/21/2003 4:52:28 PM PDT by betty boop (Bohr is brutally realistic in epistemological terms. -- Kafatos & Nadeau)
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To: betty boop
Order is statistical? Intrinsically???

Among other characteristics, yes. The opposite end of the axis of being from organic. The statistical mass versus the organism of individuals.

544 posted on 08/21/2003 4:59:06 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: betty boop; RightWhale; Alamo-Girl; Phaedrus; Doctor Stochastic; Right Wing Professor; Physicist; ..
Order is statistical? Intrinsically??? Or is it that quantum epistemological technique requires us to "sample" nature through the mathematical sciences, preeminently statistics? But what is "really real": Nature -- the universe -- or statistics? Or is the "tool" we use -- statistics -- everything there is, or at least everything that "matters?"

IMHO, you absolutely need this epistemology. But the "complementary" of epistemology -- it seems to me -- is ontology.

Very well said, betty Jean. (I was responding to the previous sentence, not really to "Order is statisical.")

I suppose it could be said that mathematics is apt to play a part in describing order, therefore order is mathematical/statistical, somewhat like... geology is apt to play a part in describing a continent, therefore continents are geological. But the *nature* of a continent is much more than that, to humans --and to humans a contenent is most importantly, well, whatever it is to us.

So, I'd say in the same way, order is whatever it is, to those who behold or otherwise are engaged with it. They relate with it thus. Order like "stupid" is as order does and for whomever it does, and order is most, to the person(s) who is most conscious of and engaged with it.

That being the case, order relates most with and is defined most aptly by... (well, you know Who).

548 posted on 08/21/2003 5:35:24 PM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love." | No I don't look anything like her but I do like to hear "Unspun w/ AnnaZ")
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