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Ancient Cities Discovered In Yangtze Valley
Independent (UK) ^
| 8-3-2003
| David Keys
Posted on 08/02/2003 4:01:46 PM PDT by blam
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posted on
08/02/2003 4:01:46 PM PDT
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blam
To: farmfriend; RightWhale; JudyB1938
ping.
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posted on
08/02/2003 4:02:30 PM PDT
by
blam
To: blam
Some people go around thinking that we know all there is to know about the past, but there is so much more out there waiting to be discovered.
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posted on
08/02/2003 4:04:41 PM PDT
by
Grig
To: Grig
Some people go around thinking that we know all there is to know about the past, but there is so much more out there waiting to be discovered. Especially when one realizes that gradualism is a silly science busy making the facts fit their own pre-conceieved notions.
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posted on
08/02/2003 4:28:17 PM PDT
by
Centurion2000
(We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
To: Grig
"but there is so much more out there waiting to be discovered." Yup. IMO, the good stuff is out on the continental shelf, underwater. The melt from the Ice Age must have covered many coastal cities.
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posted on
08/02/2003 4:30:29 PM PDT
by
blam
To: blam
When it came time for cities, cities appeared all over the earth. What was it that caused this to happen? Seems like only some kind of technology would cause such a revolution. The discovery of the Wheel? The Cam-phone?
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posted on
08/02/2003 4:56:27 PM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Destroy the dark; restore the light)
To: blam
In the print copy of National Review this week, they state that this find is baloney concocted to support the "Chinese Center of Civilization" argument of the regime.
Hmmmmmmm......
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posted on
08/02/2003 5:00:56 PM PDT
by
Uncle Miltie
("Leave Pat, Leave!")
To: RightWhale
It was beer.
Making beer requires an agrarian society to grow the hopps. Once the nomadic people tasted beer, they settled down to grow hopps. Each year after the harvest there was a big celebration.
The agrarians invented games to honor their hunter-gatherer heritage, and one of them was exceptionally fun to watch while drinking beer, especially on Monday nights. The game involved chasing a pig into a cage that was called a "gule".
As time went on this game was passed down through history to become what we now call baseball. ;^)
To: e_engineer
That's right. It was bread and beer, both using domesticated yeast. Of course they had to provide the brewer and dough-maker with grain flour, which required agriculture, grain storage, pottery and furnaces, milling machinery, and they had to distribute beer and bread fairly which required ethics and economics. That's just the first year.
Before domesticated yeast they had nothing but unleavened bread and rice milk to supplement the natural food: bugs and berries. What a horrible time it was before civilization. Golden Age? Oh, sure.
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posted on
08/02/2003 5:22:06 PM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Destroy the dark; restore the light)
To: RightWhale
When it came time for cities, cities appeared all over the earth. What was it that caused this to happen? Seems like only some kind of technology would cause such a revolution. The discovery of the Wheel? The Cam-phone? Agriculture. Farmers need plows, hoes, scythes, pottery to store the harvest in, lots of stuff. The purpose of cities is to enable manufactoring by bringing suppliers for the various manufactoring processes close together
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08/02/2003 6:22:02 PM PDT
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SauronOfMordor
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posted on
08/02/2003 6:25:46 PM PDT
by
farmfriend
( Isaiah 55:10,11)
To: Grig
China is a country that I don't know much about but didn't the first Emporer Chin have nearly all historical texts about Ancient china before his rule destroyed and declared that history only started with him and his rule?
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posted on
08/02/2003 6:43:59 PM PDT
by
Burkeman1
(If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.)
To: blam
Indeed the Yangtze area was one of the first in the world to produce pottery - an amazing 13,000 years ago. Apparently, along about that time, some of them grabbed their Clovis-pointed spears, said, "This place is going to pot!" and headed northeastward for that new land bridge... ;-}
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posted on
08/02/2003 8:37:58 PM PDT
by
TXnMA
(No Longer!!! -- and glad to be back home in God's Gountry!!)
To: blam
I read recently somewhere about a city discovered in Mexico with a fully functional ocean port. Trouble is, the city sits at 10,000 feet.
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posted on
08/02/2003 8:50:52 PM PDT
by
djf
To: blam
... so far revealed the sites of nine ancient towns in the Middle Yangtze Valley between Wuhan and Jiangling... Jiangling--Sounds like a nice name for a Christmas village.
To: blam
"The largest cities had up to three miles of defensive walls." It seems to me that inhabitants of these first early cities
all had one thing in common--they were all afraid of something.
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posted on
08/02/2003 9:19:16 PM PDT
by
StormEye
To: Burkeman1
"China is a country that I don't know much about but didn't the first Emporer Chin have nearly all historical texts about Ancient china before his rule destroyed and declared that history only started with him and his rule?" Yes and they enacted a form of genocide against anyone who had any Caucasian features. The Hakka Chinese who migrated from north China all the way across China to the south were such people. However, they still express such features on occasion. They were 'off-spring' of these people:Mystery Of The Desert Mummies
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posted on
08/02/2003 10:05:00 PM PDT
by
blam
To: djf
"I read recently somewhere about a city discovered in Mexico with a fully functional ocean port. Trouble is, the city sits at 10,000 feet." You may be thinking of this
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posted on
08/02/2003 10:10:46 PM PDT
by
blam
To: blam
Not a sunken city, a raised city. I'll see if I can find it again.
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posted on
08/02/2003 10:21:41 PM PDT
by
djf
To: SauronOfMordor
hoes Especially hoes, practitioners of the world's oldest profession (actually, I think jewelers were first).
I think you're entirely correct: cities were the manifestation of agricultural life, when people could settle down and stop being nomads for a living. Technology like beer and bread require a settled life, with nutritional protein supplied by herds of domesticated creatures. (Prior to that, fermented mare's milk probably got everyone going on Saturday night). Since these discoveries were diffused around the populated world at approximately the same time, cities emerged everywhere roughly simultaneously.
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