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Today's Free Trade is not about the Free Market
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| 08/01/2003
| Jeff Head
Posted on 08/01/2003 2:05:33 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Texas_Dawg
A nation's policy should not be based exclusively on the ability of the consumer to buy cheaper goods. It has to also consider the economic well-being and capabilities of the country.
To: meadsjn
Would you drop a nuclear bomb on China right now if it was up to you? I notice you can't really say "No" to this question. Or at least, you haven't yet.
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08/01/2003 2:54:47 PM PDT
by
Texas_Dawg
("...They came to hate their party and this president... They have finished by hating their country.")
To: meadsjn
To: Texas_Dawg
That's odd... I seem to be doing just fine. Same goes for 99.999% of Americans I know. You don't know many people. It doesn't matter what is going on with a handful of well-off elites, what matters is what is happening to a large percentage of the people, the number of people who have worked all their lives successfully who are now losing jobs or working for $6 an hour instead of $15 an hour.
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posted on
08/01/2003 2:56:16 PM PDT
by
FITZ
To: exnavy
That is not a simple question, to demand a one word answer to such a complex question is like wearing a " kick me " sign on your back. "Would you drop a nuclear bomb on China today (meaning, right now, August 1st, 2003) if you had the chance?" is a complex question?
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posted on
08/01/2003 2:56:28 PM PDT
by
Texas_Dawg
("...They came to hate their party and this president... They have finished by hating their country.")
To: Jeff Head
Nice summation Jeff.
To: Jeff Head
Bump for later read and post
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posted on
08/01/2003 2:57:56 PM PDT
by
Sparta
(A liberal is a conservative minus logic and morals.)
To: FITZ
the number of people who have worked all their lives successfully who are now losing jobs or working for $6 an hour instead of $15 an hour. Percentage-wise, this number is very, very small, historically. If you are looking for a government that guarantees you a job, maybe you should move to Cuba.
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posted on
08/01/2003 2:58:02 PM PDT
by
Texas_Dawg
("...They came to hate their party and this president... They have finished by hating their country.")
To: Texas_Dawg
Would you drop a nuclear bomb on China right now if it was up to you? I'll answer your question: No...I would drop lots of them.
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posted on
08/01/2003 2:58:14 PM PDT
by
TopDog2
(Deer are the spawn of satan! Wipe them out!!)
To: Cacophonous
A nation's policy should not be based exclusively on the ability of the consumer to buy cheaper goods. It has to also consider the economic well-being and capabilities of the country. I agree.
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posted on
08/01/2003 2:58:53 PM PDT
by
Texas_Dawg
("...They came to hate their party and this president... They have finished by hating their country.")
To: Texas_Dawg
Just like myself ---right now I have two jobs ---but how does that help the high number of people being laid off from one job? In this area welfare rates approach 40%, unemployment is double digit ----so me boasting about how great I've got it would be totally silly ----it's what is going on all around me that indicates something is wrong. Should it be this bad when we elected a Republican President, Republican Congress, Republican Senate and many Republican governors?
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posted on
08/01/2003 2:59:13 PM PDT
by
FITZ
To: Texas_Dawg
Read the rest of my reply at 13 and you will have your answer.
To: Texas_Dawg
Maybe it would help if you told us where you are going with this. It's more than curiosity; you've got a point to make. So make it.
To: Travis McGee
Exactly.
To: Texas_Dawg
I was looking for a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. I wasn't looking for a government of the Chinese and Indian people, for those people etc. Our politicians need to concern themselves with the fate of Americans, not just the fate of the greedy few.
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posted on
08/01/2003 3:01:09 PM PDT
by
FITZ
To: Texas_Dawg
Old dawg no new tricks?
To: Texas_Dawg
The killing of millions of humans, no matter the race is not something taken lightly.
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posted on
08/01/2003 3:02:04 PM PDT
by
exnavy
To: FITZ
Should it be this bad when we elected a Republican President, Republican Congress, Republican Senate and many Republican governors? In a cyclical economic downturn during a world war, it should be much, much worse (and throughout history has been).
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posted on
08/01/2003 3:03:44 PM PDT
by
Texas_Dawg
("...They came to hate their party and this president... They have finished by hating their country.")
To: Texas_Dawg
Percentage-wise, this number is very, very small, historically. It's not as small as you seem to think, and it's the type of lay offs that are alarming. Factory lay offs have always been fairly common, temporary or seasonal. When our government is trying to shut down our means of production, we're headed in the wrong direction ---you can't easily rebuild some of this after they've destroyed it.
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posted on
08/01/2003 3:03:47 PM PDT
by
FITZ
To: Jeff Head
This is going to be "the issue" in the 2004 election, not terrorism.
Philosophically, I have been a "free trader" all along, figuring that things would work themselves out over time like the "Japanese Car Scare" of the 70's. Thanks to the Japanese, Detroit got off it's collective butt and started making some quality cars for a decent price. We'd still be driving 4000# chrome-plated behemoths that lasted for 80,000 miles were it not for the Japanese. That's the way I figured this Chinese thing would go.
So I was willing to wait for...say...ten years for the Americans, Chinese and Mexicans to go through the same readjustment: Earn lots of money selling stuff to America so they could start buying the things that we made. Right now, it seems that is never going to happen. The things that America produces are slapped with prohibitively-expensive tariffs just about everywhere (50% tariff on beef in Japan?)
Now I am getting scared.
American can't "bring up" the rest of the world economically - the cost is just too much, even if that were the goal.
I am starting to see that the goal is to "bring down" America, rather than to "bring up" the rest of the world.
Unfortunately, our current president seems to be part of the problem, not part of the solution.
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