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To: bluejean
Okay, soap box gone. Flame away. I have my marshmallows ready.

Ah, good, someone to play with. :)

In other words, [Jesus] keeps us guessing, he won't be figured out.

Thanks for admitting that you don't read the Bible, nor cared for what it contains, because to do so, you would then know about Jesus and you wouldn't be pleased to keep guessing. (John 1). Didn't Jesus' ministry have to do with revealing Himself to the world? (John 15:15; 16:13-16; 17:6-8; Eph 3:3-4; 1 Cor 2:16)

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Jesus went where hearts were hungry and fertile, not where they were paved over with concrete and private drives.

Actually the tax-collectors were some of the most wealthy men in Israel. But you are correct in that His ministry was for those in need. In the end though, they still gathered together and killed Him. So I'm not quite sure what your point is.

Even if [Jesus] did [go to a rock concert], it wouldn't be 'blasphemy'.

There are no "if's", Jesus didn't attend a rock concert, so there is no fruit in speculating to the fruit of doing so. What I find objectionable and blasphemous is that people are quick to project their immoral lifestyle and corrupt feelings on to Christ. If I wanted to say "Niggers are cursed by God", then I would go make-up some crap about the curse on Ham (actually it was on Ham's son) and then say Ham begat black people. I could then go around and wear a white hood and feel OK about it. Similarly, many people are addicted to music of the sex, drug and rebellion culture and make up some crap that Jesus would indulge in pagan behavior so therefore it is OK for them to do it too. They of course rip out of the loose leaf Bibles that light has no fellowship with darkness (2 Cor 6:14-17), no one can serve two masters (Matt 6:24), one should remain pure and undefiled by the world (James 4:8). Because it is Fun, Fun, Fun to cavort with the world. The American Religion says "Come As You Are" and teaches "Stay As You Came".

All of the rules and regs and anal-retentive blabbing can be very impressive but it's all 'sound and fury, signifying nothing'

Actually you lifted part of this from 1 Cor 13:1-2, but typical of the American Religion, altered it so much that it loses its meaning and adopts your own propaganda. Eve did this in the garden too, just prior to her rebelling against God. "Rules and Regs" wasn't some comedy act by God to trap people.(Romans 2) Murder, lying, adultery, homosexuality, gossiping have not been repealed despite the antinomian bleatings of the American Religion. Believers are told not to associate with those who are still living in sin. When the neo-evangelicals say "the law was nailed to the cross", they are actually saying "there is no such thing as sin", or that is at least the way they conduct themselves. So that is why the Southern Baptists how justify "fellowshipping" and "worshipping" with active sodomites and adulterers. If you want to see "anal-retentive" just wait until Judgment Day when every word uttered will be recalled, every thought and every deed. God is not some sort of good 'ol boy whose holiness is so subject to compromise that He lets things slide.

Maybe the silly WWJD thing actually helped a few people, who knows?

Given that WWJD is of anti-Christ, and Romans 10:17 clearly and umabiguously teaches that faith comes by hearing of the Word of God, I think your assertion is bogus and contradicted. And lets see the context of what you hacked out of your prooftexting 1 Cor 1:27-29 you would have noticed that vv 27-29 were in defense of the practice of (v21) "...it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe."
Notice it didn't say through "fashion jewelry and pithy T-Shirts".

37 posted on 08/01/2003 11:09:14 AM PDT by Dr Warmoose
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To: Dr Warmoose
"Ah, good, someone to play with."

Hardly WWJD in this little line...

"Thanks for admitting that you don't read the Bible"

Wrong answer. My comments were to the effect that God is beyond us, is wholly other, and even though we have the scriptures, there are things about him that are unknowable. God is, to a large degree, unknowable. He's bigger even than YOU and YOUR MIND. That'll bother you, but it can be okay once you get used to the idea.

"Didn't Jesus' ministry have to do with revealing Himself to the world? "

Yes. But he did NOT reveal that he would NEVER be found at a rock concert. It's no where in there. He was found at parties with 'publicans and sinners'. He touched lepers. He hung out with poor people and cripples. He did have a tax-collector in his little ragtag band of disciples, but they were utterly despised (working for the damned Romans, they were). Another despicable type, getting to hang out with Jesus' in-crowd. He went to parties with these people where today's celebrity sluts and coke heads would have been right at home! Yes!

Jesus' in-crowd was the out-crowd to the religious hot shots of his day. They were insanely jealous. They also hated him for mixing with such hideous specimens of humanity rather than their educated, fire-and-brimstone, crossed t's and dotted i gloriously 'unspotted' selves. He simply didn't put up with them. He went his own way. And they weren't included in his little gang. The one who was curious and did get to know him, Nicodemus, had to sneak around because the RELIGIOUS TWITS would have wrecked his life if they'd known he was talking to the Son of God. It's all right there in the Bible.

Whatever all that noise is about blacks and HAM and hoods and sheesh!, etc. is evidently from some place in your personal life that could use some therapy or something. I won't even go there. I'm having too fine of a day.

"Actually the tax-collectors were some of the most wealthy men in Israel"

That's right! DOH! Jesus' disciples consisted of people from all walks of life, but the majority of them weren't what would be today's celebrities and CEO's, etc. I didn't say they were all tax-collectors. Sweeping generalizations don't cut it.

"There are no "if's", Jesus didn't attend a rock concert, so there is no fruit in speculating to the fruit of doing so..."

UM...besides the fact that there WEREN'T rock concerts back then, so Jesus couldn't NOT have NOT GONE to one, YOU'RE the one that brought this up as a hypothetical and called it blasphemy. Life presents little episodes in life where you make choices based on accumulated knowledge and experiences and deductions you arrive at along the way. For instance, a Christian might actually see a bridge person asking for money at an off-ramp and think, "Hmm. I don't want to give this guy the time of day." You might have, until that hellish bracelet came out, actually thought, "What would Jesus do?" Oooo. What's the answer? Ever see Jesus giving money away? Where? He gave Peter a coin once out of a fish's mouth. Nope, at no time do you see Jesus handing out money...heck, based on your reasoning, the heck with supporting charities of any kind. Please note that I am not saying what the outcome of your brush with people on the off-ramp of life should be. That's up to you.

I don't know what your 'American Religion' is. I can't say I go to that church. I gather you're from someplace better and righter and truer and cleaner and holier and shinier and my gosh, how is it you manage to walk among mere mortals such as we?

"WWJD is of anti-Christ"

Whoo hoo! Next time I see one of those sulphurous little bracelets, I'm going to spray it with a fire extinguisher, rebuke it in the name o' Jesus and demand it repent. Oh - but Satan CAN'T repent. Hmm. Maybe I'll just take my Bible and beat the wearer of such an atrocity until they see I'm a Christian by my love and accept my version of Christ. Oh, I'll make sure I list all the scriptures, too.

Oh well. Thanks for playing. I shan't participate any longer. It tires me so. I'm off to hang out with real people in real life. Have a happy day, you old sourpuss!


42 posted on 08/01/2003 1:49:08 PM PDT by bluejean
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