[Sen. Norm] Coleman [R-MN] launches inquiry into RIAA's piracy crackdown

Associated Press ^ | July 31, 2003

[Timesink]

Coleman launches inquiry into RIAA's piracy crackdown

(Washington-AP) -- Senator Norm Coleman has begun an inquiry into the recording industry's copyright lawsuits against online music swappers.

Coleman says the recording industry's tactics could ensnare innocent people.

The Minnesota Republican chairs the Senate's permanent subcommittee on investigations. He's asked the Recording Industry Association of America for copies of its subpoenas issued to Internet providers, and description of its safeguards against targeting innocent people.

Coleman says the industry has legitimate concerns about copyright infringement. But he says the industry seems to have adopted a ``shotgun'' approach that could hurt people who don't know the rules about digital sharing of files.

The RIAA has issued 900 federal subpoenas against computer users suspected of illegally sharing music files on the Internet.

[jagrmeister]

LOL, you've got to have the last word little man. Now go research: peer to peer, Media Defender, Kazaa, denial of service attacks, and come back with a coherent understanding of the issue and then I'll treat you like an adult rather than a whining, ignorant child.

[TheEngineer]

Now go research: peer to peer, Media Defender, Kazaa, denial of service attacks, and come back...

That's not the way it works around here. YOU asserted that MediaDefender and Overpeer are distributing viruses into the P2P networks. And your bluff has been called... It's now up to you to provide some proof. That's the way it works around here. Put up or shut up.

[TheEngineer]

CD-R discs and CD-RW drives come wth a tax to the RIAA.

Evidence?

[jagrmeister]

Nice try to lay down the law, old man. After I finished laughing over your little Sherrif act, I'll say this much: you didn't know who MediaDefender and OverPeer were before this discussion. You still don't know what peer-to-peer means. You don't comprehend a denial of service attack. Now that you are halfway educated on the subject, review the following from ZDNet:

http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/ebusiness/story/0,2000048590,20268617,00.htm

"Some of the tactics used by American record companies to discourage illegal peer-to-peer file sharing include flooding networks with decoy songs that do not play and "interdiction", which closes off a users hard drive to others on the network....However interdiction has been less popular, he said, as it may run afoul of anti-hacking laws."

The interdiction attacks involve clogging the individual user's Internet outgoing connection by setting up repeated IP requests. This is called a Denial of Service attack (DoS)- the same kind that shut down major Internet sites in the past and got prosecuted by law enforcement authorities. This is called hacking. Now buzz off and take your little Badge with you.

[rwfromkansas]

http://www.boycott-riaa.com/facts/

[Bush2000]

Allow me to refresh your memory. Here's what you said in post #35:

"P2P users are downloading viruses through networks like Kazaa are getting them because they're being posted by a company called MediaDefender and Overpeer, both on contracts with the RIAA.

I challenged you to provide proof and you regurgitated a ZDNet Australia article that has nothing to do with viruses. Listen, do yourself a favor and admit that you fabricated your statement. It's not looking good for you.

[jagrmeister]

Here's what I referenced "Another proposed idea is basically a DoS attack against downloaders."

Here's what I posted to validate that: "Some of the tactics used by American record companies to discourage illegal peer-to-peer file sharing include flooding networks with decoy songs that do not play and "interdiction", which closes off a users hard drive to others on the network....However interdiction has been less popular, he said, as it may run afoul of anti-hacking laws."

LOL. Have it again, moron. I've debated this to my satisfaction.

[NordP]

As a native Minnesotan, I must say that your post reference to Iowa made my night. LOL.

I'm pretty darn proud of Minnesotans for electing another Republican, too!

Over taxed in CA

NordP

[TheEngineer]

The reference that you posted only referred to music cdr's. Those are the types that are used in non-computer (audio) cd recording devices... not the type that are used in computer cd-r drives (the type that music looters use). There is no levy on computer cd-r disks in the United States. In other words.... Bzzzzzt, you lose... but thanks for playing.

[Timesink]

It amazes me that RIAA is not going after downloaders. That would be easier.

I disagree. First of all, it would be far, far harder to identify "serial" downloaders than it is to ID those offering massive numbers of songs in the first place. Second, all the alleged "illegal downloader" would have to do is walk into court with physical, "legitimate" copies of the song(s) he/she is alleged to have "illegally" downloaded, be they on CD, cassette, vinyl or even reel-to-reel, and the case is over. Once you've bought the song, you've bought the song, and you have the specific legal right to make as many copies of it as you wish for your own private use.) The RIAA would end up looking like even bigger jerks than they already do after they lost about 200 lawsuits in a row.

[TheEngineer]

A denial-of-service request isn't a virus. And knock off the profanity. Any coward can talk like that with 2000 miles of network separation. You don't impress anyone.

[Khepera]

I own a small production studio. When people stop buying CDs the money for developement and production dries up and there will be no more CD production. There will be no new albums produced. The artists will stop recording because it does not pay to do the work. You will get no more new music. People will stop writing songs and recording if they do not get paid for it. Pretty simple really. It takes hours and hours to produce a CD and people cannot afford to do that for nothing.

[Khepera]

I own a small production studio. When people stop buying CDs the money for developement and production dries up and there will be no more CD production. There will be no new albums produced. The artists will stop recording because it does not pay to do the work. You will get no more new music. People will stop writing songs and recording if they do not get paid for it. Pretty simple really. It takes hours and hours to produce a CD and people cannot afford to do that for nothing.

[Khepera]

Dang a double post!!! I don't think it will make any difference by saying it twice.

[TheEngineer]

Here's your quote again.

P2P users are downloading viruses through networks like Kazaa are getting them because they [your imaginary viruses] are being posted by a company called MediaDefender and Overpeer, both on contracts with the RIAA.

And you have shown no proof of viruses being posted or downloaded. Despite all your arm waving and profanity, you're wrong. But you can't admit it.

I'll bet you think Denial is a river in Northeast Africa.

[Militiaman7]

It never ceases to amaze me when otherwise sensible "c"onservatives advocate theft of property -- regardless of whether that property is

Kinda like Bush/Rummy and the Republican Congress continuing to steal the pensions of Retired Disabled Vets.

Tell Congress to end the Retired Veteran Disability Tax.

Support the Vets

[TheEngineer]

The artists will stop recording because it does not pay to do the work. You will get no more new music.

Good point.

[GraniteStateConservative]

The voters of MN supported him based on being told he didn't support exploration in ANWR.