[dirtboy]

The subject was the President's remarks. The President was not talking about the H1-B and outsourcing. Reading his answer to the question makes that clear.

However, the problem with unemployment now is NOT training, but with job availablity. We have many well-trained and experienced workers - IT, engineers, etc. - who cannot find work. What makes you think that giving a former manufacturing worker $3,000 of training will make any improvement on his job chances when those folks can't even find work, and when the very jobs that person would be qualified to do in the tech sector are the ones being shipped overseas in the largest quantities?

BTW, I can debate just fine without insults. But I do use them when they're appropriate. And YOU'RE a fine one to talk - you come barging in with a post that disparages me, but have the temerity to get after the tone I subsequently use on you.

[Southack]

"What makes you think that giving a former manufacturing worker $3,000 of training will make any improvement on his job chances when those [IT] folks can't even find work..."

This ain't about IT. Lots of workers need retraining, but that doesn't always mean that they need IT training.

[Southack]

"I can debate just fine without insults."

No, actually you can't. You misconstrue. You obfuscate. You reach. You grasp. You spin. You twist. You put words into the mouths of others. You take things out of context (IT everything, you obsess), and you frequently insult.

On top of all of that, you make claims such as that you are going to leave the debate, as if stomping your little foot and running away will somehow get you some extra attention and clout.

Moreover, you talk loudly and boldy, then you back away from being able to provide data (e.g. your "middle class is shrinking" claim).

[carton253]

However...

We are now changing subjects. We are not longer debating the subject of the President's remarks... we are now talking about how training will improve a person's job chances when these folks can't even find work...

It all depends on who is looking for a job. Let's say the person looking for a job has one skill. He is able to put widget a in hole b. In this job market... not much call for a widget guy. So, $3,000 worth of training will be the difference between his getting hired or not.

Now, meet the average administrative assistant. Good skills on word, good on excel, does good on powerpoint. Laid off due to down sizing... $3,000 will enable that person to be able to include some desktop publishing, maybe some web design... her portfolio is fatter. So the $3,000 has helped.

Now, meet the Kmart employee... He's resume says he can stock shelves. $3,000 may enable him to go to a tech school to learn a skill. That will make him more employable.

Vice President of Marketing is downsized. $3,000 isn't going to help him much.

The IT sector... jobs disappearing overseas...no, $3,000 isn't going to help that person. But, let's be honest, IT workers are a dime a dozen. And in every class I sit in at the university is 1/2 IT or IS or something.

But that doesn't justify the outsourcing of jobs.

BTW, I can debate just fine without insults.

I will believe that when I see it.

And YOU'RE a fine one to talk...

Oh, unbunch your shorts...

you come barging in with a post that disparages me

Chances are you will survive my opinion of your debating style...