[dirtboy]

Then he admitted that he had no data at all for his middle class claim, and that he had personal data in his own paycheck that was **contrary** to his tax-bite claim.

I'll get you data, Southack, if you insist on ignoring the stories in such liberal rags as the Wall Street Journal about the changes to the workplace over the last few years. But you're just making a fool of yourself in demanding that the obvious be proven to you.

[oceanview]

we need private sector wages and wage growth over the past 2 years, excluding wage earners over $250K. that is the telling stat. it removes government employees, who get steady raises. and removes higher income people, many of whom in the private sector benefit from offshoring. I doubt you can get that stat, with those conditions, but that is what is needed. I am sure an honest number for that stat would show both a decline in the median salary and negative wage growth.

[Southack]

"I'll get you data, Southack, if you insist on ignoring the stories in such liberal rags as the Wall Street Journal about the changes to the workplace over the last few years. But you're just making a fool of yourself in demanding that the obvious be proven to you."

I doubt that you will **ever** show that the physical size of the American middle class has shrunk with any rational look at available demographic data.

Consider that to be a challenge.