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To: harpseal
I'm sorry, but protectionism is the Marxist policy.

See Ayn Rand

Sacrificing my standard of living in order to subsidize inefficient domestic employees is un-American.

Collectivism is the premise of your protectionism: In hiring employees, we are expected to view employers and the employees not as individuals, but as units of a nation. We are expected to accept lower quality or more expensive goods in the name of alleged benefits to the national collective.

Collectivism reflects the notion that life is "a zero sum game," that we live in a dog-eat-dog world, where one man’s gain is another man’s loss. On this premise, everyone has to cling to his own herd and fight all the other herds for a share of a fixed, static, supply of goods and jobs.

But individualism recognizes that wealth is produced, not merely appropriated, and that man’s rise from the cave to the skyscraper demonstrates that life is not a zero-sum game — not where men are free to seek progress.

146 posted on 07/31/2003 12:35:26 PM PDT by wesdale
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To: wesdale
See Ayn Rand

So Ayn's cool with sending money over to a communist country that brutally rules over its citizens so that I can have a cheap TV? Better go back to reading Atlas Shrugged again.
159 posted on 07/31/2003 12:38:37 PM PDT by lelio
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To: wesdale
I'm sorry, but protectionism is the Marxist policy.

Protectionism predates Marxism by at least 50 years see Alexander Hamilton and the First Congress of the USA.

See Ayn Rand

Sacrificing my standard of living in order to subsidize inefficient domestic employees is un-American.

Sacrificing americas standard of living to conform to your Marxist philosphy (despite your ciotation of Ayn Rand) is insane. You are mixing up a free market which your defense of teh H1b and L1 visa guest workers implies you oppose.

Collectivism is the premise of your protectionism: In hiring employees, we are expected to view employers and the employees not as individuals, but as units of a nation.

Where did you get this garbage. This is absolutely without any relationship in describing a reasonable tariff policy which balances foreign tariffs with american tariffs in response and uses the Constitutionally authorized means of tariffs to protect the american economy.

We are expected to accept lower quality or more expensive goods in the name of alleged benefits to the national collective.If you call paying a tax in order support an enemy of the USA being expected to accept lower quality or more expensive goods a tehn this is your mioscharacterization of tariffs. If the entire planet consisted of economic and politicaql systems which allowed property rights and free markets there would be no need for tariffs but we do not live in that utopis we live in w world where tariffs are necessary tools for both teh raising of revenue and for the equalization of foreign government policies whgich harm our nation. the fact that you do consider yourself not a part of the American nation has little to do with reality.

Collectivism reflects the notion that life is "a zero sum game," that we live in a dog-eat-dog world, where one man’s gain is another man’s loss. On this premise, everyone has to cling to his own herd and fight all the other herds for a share of a fixed, static, supply of goods and jobs.

Since you are supporting the current trade envirornment which is by definition pro collectivist you really should read your own words. The false premise that tariffs support collectivism is where you are wrong. The current tarde envirornment is decidely pro collectivist and you had better deal with reality not either a fantasy world or a a Marxist paradise ytou seem to believe in. Collectivism reflects the notion that life is "a zero sum game," that we live in a dog-eat-dog world, where one man’s gain is another man’s loss. On this premise, everyone has to cling to his own herd and fight all the other herds for a share of a fixed, static, supply of goods and jobs. But individualism recognizes that wealth is produced, not merely appropriated, and that man’s rise from the cave to the skyscraper demonstrates that life is not a zero-sum game — not where men are free to seek progress.

232 posted on 07/31/2003 1:05:10 PM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: wesdale
Since facts are better than assertions. Here is Alexander Hamiltons words on tariffs The Report on Manufactures (Hamilton's Tax & Spend Economic Package)
240 posted on 07/31/2003 1:08:28 PM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: wesdale
Protectionism is Marxist Policy??

Where did you hear tha whopper? We were protectionist for 2 centuries in this country!!

"But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade." ~ Karl Marx, On the Question of Free Trade, January 9, 1848 http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/01/09ft.htm#marx

"Communists and socialists feel sure that setting up international “free” trade systems which impose regulations chuck full of intrigues, redistribution plans, arbitrary law, and interdependence schemes, will win out against the conservative interests of every free nation. What could be better than to use “free” trade to reverse the advantage of the relatively free, moral, prosperous, and strong nations of the Earth, so that the tyrannical, amoral, poor, and weak nations of the socialist bloc might get the upper hand? What could be a more cunning approach than to market the idea that those who oppose “free” trade are enemies of freedom?" http://www.newsmax.com/commentarchive.shtml?a=2000/6/27/105655

388 posted on 07/31/2003 2:06:02 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: wesdale
I'm sorry, but protectionism is the Marxist policy.

I didn't know that Alexander Hamilton was a Marxist. I learn something new on Free Republic every day!

437 posted on 07/31/2003 2:22:24 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: wesdale
I'm sorry, but protectionism is the Marxist policy.

An absurd and laughable lie. Our young nation had tariffs and few other Federal taxes

See Ayn Rand

That settles it? Because the patron saint of ego tripping fools, Ayn Rand, said so? Is that where you read this lie? Or maybe you read that book and think you read it there but instead it really flew out of your butt.
 

494 posted on 08/01/2003 1:22:40 AM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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