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To: wesdale
I'm sorry, but protectionism is the Marxist policy.

Protectionism predates Marxism by at least 50 years see Alexander Hamilton and the First Congress of the USA.

See Ayn Rand

Sacrificing my standard of living in order to subsidize inefficient domestic employees is un-American.

Sacrificing americas standard of living to conform to your Marxist philosphy (despite your ciotation of Ayn Rand) is insane. You are mixing up a free market which your defense of teh H1b and L1 visa guest workers implies you oppose.

Collectivism is the premise of your protectionism: In hiring employees, we are expected to view employers and the employees not as individuals, but as units of a nation.

Where did you get this garbage. This is absolutely without any relationship in describing a reasonable tariff policy which balances foreign tariffs with american tariffs in response and uses the Constitutionally authorized means of tariffs to protect the american economy.

We are expected to accept lower quality or more expensive goods in the name of alleged benefits to the national collective.If you call paying a tax in order support an enemy of the USA being expected to accept lower quality or more expensive goods a tehn this is your mioscharacterization of tariffs. If the entire planet consisted of economic and politicaql systems which allowed property rights and free markets there would be no need for tariffs but we do not live in that utopis we live in w world where tariffs are necessary tools for both teh raising of revenue and for the equalization of foreign government policies whgich harm our nation. the fact that you do consider yourself not a part of the American nation has little to do with reality.

Collectivism reflects the notion that life is "a zero sum game," that we live in a dog-eat-dog world, where one man’s gain is another man’s loss. On this premise, everyone has to cling to his own herd and fight all the other herds for a share of a fixed, static, supply of goods and jobs.

Since you are supporting the current trade envirornment which is by definition pro collectivist you really should read your own words. The false premise that tariffs support collectivism is where you are wrong. The current tarde envirornment is decidely pro collectivist and you had better deal with reality not either a fantasy world or a a Marxist paradise ytou seem to believe in. Collectivism reflects the notion that life is "a zero sum game," that we live in a dog-eat-dog world, where one man’s gain is another man’s loss. On this premise, everyone has to cling to his own herd and fight all the other herds for a share of a fixed, static, supply of goods and jobs. But individualism recognizes that wealth is produced, not merely appropriated, and that man’s rise from the cave to the skyscraper demonstrates that life is not a zero-sum game — not where men are free to seek progress.

232 posted on 07/31/2003 1:05:10 PM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: harpseal

The name Marxism is not old, but the concept has always existed. Living your life for the collective good of society (as determined by so-called patriots) is nothing new.

I am not defending the status quo. I do not agree with our mixed economy. I do not agree with tax-dollars subsidizing any part of the market or any foreign government.

I simply disagree with you, or anyone else telling others how to run their business. If you do not agree with the hiring policies of the tech industry, do not purchase their products. If you think that someone is unfairly unemployed, give them your job. If you think you can make a quality product by hiring only Americans, then do so. I would never coerce you to make decisions in your life. That's not Marxism, that's freedom. That's American.
272 posted on 07/31/2003 1:19:59 PM PDT by wesdale
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