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To: N3WBI3
No this is the straw... The fact he is spending more money than Clinton ever dreamed of spending, the 'Patriot' Act, the total silence on the implosion of the technology sector in this nation and the fact hes more a free trader than his father have put me to this point..

So you figure whoever ends up on the Democrats side will do any damn better!? You truly think THEY have anything for you? That would be the only reason you'd vote for them.

Going back to the "implosion", it was something that a trained horse could have predicted, behind people throwing money for things as foolish as selling ice to Eskimos on the web. Too many people and too much money being thrown at too many idiotic schemes; which lead to the implosion. You can't blame Bush for it, nor for not having a solution to it.

The only thing I can agree with you on is his spending of too damn much money.

The Patriot Act would have come about on the heels of 9/11 no matter who was in the Oval Office, and the free trade would have probably accelerated even more with Gore in there.

So ultimately, it sounds like pure sour grapes, and a convienent whipping post.

145 posted on 07/31/2003 12:34:47 PM PDT by mhking
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To: mhking
So you figure whoever ends up on the Democrats side will do any damn better!?

Depends will they want to do any better, no.. Will the Republicans in the House let them do any better *ding*. The republicans have let bush spend far more money than they would have let Gore spend.

If I had to pick between Bush/Gore I would pick buh, when you take into account seperation of powers Gore does not look so bad...

156 posted on 07/31/2003 12:37:57 PM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: mhking
the free trade would have probably accelerated even more with Gore in there.

And that's exactly the point I am making. There are major issues nowadays of job loss due to outsourcing overseas, illegal immigration and the H1-B/L1 visas. There is the genesis of a completely new political movement happening now. The party that realizes it will be in power in 2008. If neither party realizes it, a new party will form and will be the dominant party then - and it will probably be center-left. The only way it can be center-right is if Bush and the GOP start understanding this sea change and adapt to it NOW.

174 posted on 07/31/2003 12:40:58 PM PDT by dirtboy (Who's that big cat I saw roaming around here again?)
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To: mhking
Don't know if you read this yet, but I believe this addresses the real issue. It may be labeled in the wrong terms, but I have yet to hear anyone mention these things in any recent radio show or newspaper article.

It is a long read, but I believe worth it. Please forgive the format, it is a cut and paste of comments from me on other threads

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/954156/posts

The problem is greater than H1B visas, and more complex than simple off shoring, but addresses how people can off shore in the first place!
414 posted on 07/31/2003 2:15:54 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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