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Al-Qaida planned forest fires in West

The Arizona Republic

SATURDAY

July 12, 2003

PHOENIX -- National forests in the West were considered targets for al-Qaida attacks, according to an FBI memo to law enforcement agencies dated June 25. A senior al-Qaida detainee told federal investigators he had developed a plan to set midsummer forest fires in Colorado, Montana, Utah and Wyoming, according to the document, obtained by The Arizona Republic.

"The detainee believed that significant damage to the U.S. economy would result and once it was realized that the fires were terrorist acts, U.S. citizens would put pressure on the U.S. government to change its policies," the memo said.

The unidentified detainee said he hoped to create several large, catastrophic wildfires at once. The Forest Service took note of the warning, a spokeswoman said, but didn't really change any of its policies or operating patterns.

In fact, many forest law enforcement officers contacted by The Republic had no idea the warning had been issued at all.

"If you see something suspicious in an airport, report it. Likewise, if you see something suspicious in a forest, report it." said Rose Davis, a spokeswoman for the National Interagency Fire Center in Boise, Idaho.

But neither the interagency fire center nor the Forest Service chose to report the warning to the public. The decision to release the information was up to the FBI. A spokeswoman for the bureau's Denver office, which drew up the memo, declined to comment.

The al-Qaida detainee told investigators that his plan called for three or four operatives to travel to the United States and set timed explosive devices in forests and grasslands. The devices would be set to detonate after the operatives had left the country.

But the FBI, Department of Homeland Security and U.S. Attorney's Office in Wyoming could not evaluate the source or the accuracy of the information.

In the days since Sept. 11, 2001, the idea of intentionally setting fires as a terrorist act has been bandied about in the fire community.

"I thought about it a lot after 9-11," said Don Riddle, the law enforcement officer for the Manti-LaSal National Forest in Utah. "How hard would it be for someone to get in a small plane and fly over a forest dropping fusees [flares] or firing off a flare gun as they flew over?"

Albanian Muslims also burned down the Greek forests: The 1993 Forest Fire Season in Greece

Equally important, a wave of illegal immigrants from Albania crossed the border in Northern Greece and, through remote forest trails, crossed the mountainous regions in order to seek temporary employment at the urban centres of Thessaloniki and Athens. These people, having to spend nights in the open air inside the forests, have caused many forest fires by negligence (abandoned camping fires) or malice (animosity towards immigration authorities). Many of these fires burned in areas of low fire risk, such as the high elevation forests of fir, beech and black pine of Northern Greece.

At the same time, many extraordinary events marked the unique 1993 fire season in Greece:

An arson fire on the island of Ikaria in the Northeast Aegean sea, cost the lives of 11 farmers who were burned in their efforts to escape from the fire or were suffocated by smoke inside their homes. A National day of mourning was declared, and the Prime Minister visited the fire-stricken island, promising increased fire protection measures for all Greece.

Unlike other years, Northern Greece experienced many destructive fires, similar to those that traditionally occur in the drier and more flammable regions of Southern Greece which are covered by Mediterranean-type vegetation (maquis, garriques). Thus, high-elevation forest of fir, beech and black pine, located in Northern Greece, that had never experienced fires since the Second World War due to existing climatic (cold, humid areas) and socio-economic conditions (lack of population pressure or grazing intensity), were destroyed by fires set by illegal immigrants who entered the country through them. The geographical regions of Epirus and Macedonia had a record-high of 400 and 600 fires, respectively, which burned over 20,000 ha of high forest. Thus, Northern Greece did not escape forest fires this year.

The National Parks of "Valia Calda" in Epirus, covered with magnificent black pine forests, and "Olympus Mountain" in Macedonia, covered by fir forests, were burned. Thus, picturesque landscapes of amazing beauty and historical heritage were turned into ashes, leaving homeless the "12 Deities" of the Ancient Greek Pantheon!

1 posted on 07/29/2003 7:21:21 PM PDT by Destro
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To: *balkans
Once again the Balkan jihad links to al-Qaeda are shown.
2 posted on 07/29/2003 7:22:06 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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5 posted on 07/29/2003 7:23:42 PM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: Destro
An Alqaida attack on France? Better call the UN.
7 posted on 07/29/2003 7:25:24 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: Destro
Unless you're a firefighter, how the hell do you die in a forest fire?

When you see a fire in the forest, leave.

8 posted on 07/29/2003 7:25:41 PM PDT by dead (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: Destro
Pro-active logging might solve part of this problem...even at the risk of some "habitat".
9 posted on 07/29/2003 7:27:28 PM PDT by demsux
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To: Destro
....U.S. citizens would put pressure on the U.S. government to change its policies," the memo said.

Flucking morons....it would happen, but not in any way they would want... like sealed borders....mass deportations not to mention the armed folks who have already had enough and are on the edge. They seriously do not know how we react to being pushed. We have still shown great restraint so far.....

16 posted on 07/29/2003 7:31:50 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: Destro
Today President Jacques Chirac threatened "sanctions of an extraordinary gravity" against those who may have set the fires.

I bet they're shaking in their boots now.

20 posted on 07/29/2003 7:48:53 PM PDT by Brett66
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To: Destro
Of course, the French gov. would never admit this is Al-Quaida, just the the FBI will never admit who really did TWA 800.

And if a small plane goes into a federal bldg soon (as they are predicting) the FBI will say it was an accident (the pilot had a seizure, for example).

Let's move right along, nothing to see here....

By the way, there's been other stuff going on in Europe that doesn't make our news.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/27/1059244490771.html
is just one.

The Aga Khan was mugged, and his car stolen. The car was found burnt out 3 hours later. Now, I'd say that's a pretty stupid thing to do to someone who has diplomatic immunity (can get away with murder) and who has at least 15 million followers who would kill at his beck and call.

Sounds to me like some govt (British MI6) was trying to teach him a lesson.
21 posted on 07/29/2003 7:49:15 PM PDT by japaneseghost
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To: Destro
Today President Jacques Chirac threatened "sanctions of an extraordinary gravity" against those who may have set the fires.

Oh I just bet they are scared now

22 posted on 07/29/2003 8:19:05 PM PDT by Mo1 (Please help Free Republic and Donate Now !!!)
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To: Destro
Corrected text follows

Today President Jacques Chirac threatened surrender "sanctions of an extraordinary gravity" against those who may have set the fires

23 posted on 07/29/2003 8:19:58 PM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: Destro
Each al-queda caught commiting arson should be doused in gasoline and set afire -- let them run down the street in flames. Then dispose of their corpses in pig stys.
25 posted on 07/29/2003 8:57:41 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Destro
I Hear 2/3 of the wine grape crop got hailed out a short time ago too. The article said the growers are trying to sue the weather forcasters.

France. I laugh at your ancestors haircut.

26 posted on 07/29/2003 9:03:05 PM PDT by Newbomb Turk (Halloween night (October 31), 1965)
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To: Destro
I was expecting this sort of thing to happen in America (and I was expecting far more than 30 to go off at once). I don't know whether to be relieved (that we will take this threat seriously) or worried (that it is indeed a real threat). I'm leaning towards worry--our national forests are far too big to protect in their entirety.

The ONLY reasonable solution is a policy of logging and controlled burns to stop the forests from building up enough fuel for truly devastating fires.

27 posted on 07/29/2003 9:03:20 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Destro
Today President Jacques Chirac threatened "sanctions of an extraordinary gravity" against those who may have set the fires.

Does this mean that you're going to ask to be removed from the muslim payroll, chucklehead Chirac?

30 posted on 07/29/2003 9:22:52 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Stop the violins!! Visualize whirled peas...)
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Today President Jacques Chirac threatened "sanctions of an extraordinary gravity" against those who may have set the fires.

What a simplistic cowboy!

33 posted on 07/30/2003 4:32:54 AM PDT by Smile-n-Win (It is the nature of evil to self-destruct--but the number of good that get killed is up to the good.)
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To: Destro
Interestingly Maoist 'student guerillas' did the same thing in the same area in 1968. It wasn't widely reported but the extrodinary fire season that summer was only partly due to drought like conditions. Various leftist types sparked numerous fires which resulted in both extensive property loss and quite a few deaths. As usual this event has disappeared down the memory hole and one has to spend quite a bit of time looking at newspaper microfilms to find passing mention of these actions.
39 posted on 07/30/2003 9:01:51 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: Destro
Still don't understand why ole Al Kada would want to harm their biggest supports outside of the DNC?
40 posted on 07/30/2003 9:38:08 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American Way! Toby Keith)
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To: Destro
Rag-headed strangers sorta stand out in our national forests...
41 posted on 07/30/2003 10:31:17 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: Destro
Today President Jacques Chirac threatened "sanctions of an extraordinary gravity" against those who may have set the fires.

No doubt he will be conducting these "sanctions" through the UN ...

43 posted on 07/30/2003 10:41:02 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Destro
Investigators have found bottles with wicks inside, leading to suspicions that the fires were started deliberately with gasoline bombs.

Fires? Bottles with wicks? Suspicious?

You just can't pull one over on those French guys! That Inspector Clouseau sure is sharp!

44 posted on 07/30/2003 10:41:35 AM PDT by mark502inf
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