[CedarDave]

And, BTW, although I intensely dislike his actions as described above, I have respect for the man (unlike Bill and Hillary), and have no trouble with his personality -- in other words he doesn't make me want to shut off the TV (or worse) when he is speaks. He will make a formidable opponent for the Republicans in 2008.

[Starrgaizr]

OK, I confess that my only opinions of him were shaped by UN/Energy where he was forced to pretend he liked and agreed with Clinton. He reminded me of a Sandy Berger, a relatively warm man but hopelessly in over his head and being played for a fool. Perhaps it was just the environment in which he had to work.