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Where the Good Jobs Are Going
Time Canada ^ | August 4, 2003 | Jyoti Thottam

Posted on 07/28/2003 11:01:09 AM PDT by Willie Green

For education and discussion only. Not for commercial use.

Forget sweatshops. U.S. companies are now shifting high-wage work overseas, especially to India

Little by little, sab maglione could feel his job slipping away. He worked for a large insurance firm in northern New Jersey, developing the software it uses to keep track of its agents. But in mid-2001, his employer introduced him to Tata Consultancy Services, India´s largest software company. About 120 Tata employees were brought in to help on a platform-conversion project. Maglione, 44, trained and managed a five-person Tata team. When one of them was named manager, he started to worry. By the end of last year, 70% of the project had been shifted to India and nearly all 20 U.S. workers, including Maglione, were laid off.

Since then, Maglione has been able to find only temporary work in his field, taking a pay cut of nearly 30% from his former salary of $77,000. For a family and mortgage, he says, “that doesn´t pay the bills.” Worried about utility costs, he runs after his two children, 11 and 7, to turn off the lights. And he has considered a new career as a house painter. “It doesn´t require that much skill, and I don´t have to go to school for it,” Maglione says. And houses, at least, can´t be painted from overseas.

Jobs that stay put are becoming a lot harder to find these days. U.S. companies are expected to send 3.3 million jobs overseas in the next 12 years, primarily to India, according to a study by Forrester Research. If you´ve ever called Dell about a sick PC or American Express about an error on your bill, you have already bumped the tip of this “offshore outsourcing” iceberg. The friendly voice that answered your questions was probably a customer-service rep in Bangalore or New Delhi. Those relatively low-skilled jobs were the first to go, starting in 1997.

But more and more of the jobs that are moving abroad today are highly skilled and highly paid—the type that U.S. workers assumed would always remain at home. Instead Maglione is one of thousands of Americans adjusting to the unsettling new reality of work. “If I can get another three years in this industry, I´ll be fortunate,” he says. Businesses are embracing offshore outsourcing in their drive to stay competitive, and almost any company, whether in manufacturing or services, can find some part of its work that can be done off site. By taking advantage of lower wages overseas, U.S. managers believe they can cut their overall costs 25% to 40% while building a more secure, more focused work force in the U.S. Labor leaders—and nonunion workers, who make up most of those being displaced—aren´t buying that rationale. “How can America be competitive in the long run sending over the very best jobs?” asks Marcus Courtney, president of the Seattle-based Washington Alliance of Technology Workers. “I don´t see how that helps the middle class.”

On the other side of the world, though, educated Indian workers are quickly adjusting to their new status as the world´s most sought-after employees. They have never been more confident and optimistic—as Americans usually like to think of themselves. For now, at least, in ways both tangible and emotional, educated Americans and Indians are trading places.

Uma Satheesh, 32, an employee of Wipro, one of India´s leading outsourcing companies, is among her country´s new élite. She manages 38 people who work for Hewlett-Packard´s enterprise-servers group doing maintenance, fixing defects and enhancing the networking software developed by HP for its clients. Her unit includes more than 300 people who work for HP, about 90 of whom were added last November when HP went through a round of cost-cutting.

“We´ve been associated with HP for a long time, so it was an emotional thing,” Satheesh says. “It was kind of a mixed feeling. But that is happening at all the companies, and it´s going to continue.” Satheesh says that five years ago, computer-science graduates had one career option in India: routine, mind-numbing computer programming. Anything more rewarding required emigrating. “Until three years ago, the first preference was to go overseas,” she says. Nowadays her colleagues are interested only in business trips to the U.S. “People are pretty comfortable with the jobs here and the pay here”—not to mention the cars and houses that once seemed out of reach. Employees in her group earn from $5,200 a year to $36,000 for the most experienced managers.

And as American companies have grown more familiar with their Indian outsourcing partners, they have steadily increased the complexity of work they are willing to hand over. Rajeshwari Rangarajan, 28, leads a team of seven Wipro workers enhancing the intranet site on which Lehman Brothers employees manage personal benefits like their 401(k) accounts. “I see myself growing with every project that I do here,” Rangarajan says. “I really don´t have any doubts about the growth of my career.”

Her experience with a leading brokerage will probably help. Financial-services companies in the U.S. are expected to move more than 500,000 jobs overseas in the next five years, according to a survey by management consultant A.T. Kearney, and India is by far the top destination. U.S. banks, insurance firms and mortgage companies have been using outsourcing to handle tech support for years. Now these firms are using Indian workers to handle the business operations—say, assessing loan applications and credit checks—that the technology supports. Kumar Mahadeva, CEO of the thriving outsourcing firm Cognizant, explains the appeal: “It becomes logical for them to say, ‘Hey, you know everything about the way we do claims processing. Why not take a piece of it?´”

The next logical step, says Andrea Bierce, a co-author of the A.T. Kearney study, is jobs that require more complex financial skills such as equity research and analysis or market research for developing new business. Evalueserve, a niche outsourcing company in Delhi, already performs research for patent attorneys and consulting firms in the U.S. In April, J.P. Morgan Chase said it would hire about 40 stock-research analysts in Bombay—about 5% of its total research staff. Novartis employs 40 statisticians in Bombay who process data from the drug company´s clinical research.

But as educated workers in India are finding new opportunities, those in the U.S. feel the doors closing. Last week Bernie Lantz drove 1,400 miles from his home in Plano, Texas, to begin a new life in Utah. He is 58 years old, a bachelor, and had lived in the Dallas area for 24 years. “I´m leaving all my friends,” he says with a sigh. “It´s quite an upheaval.” Lantz used to earn $80,000 a year as a troubleshooter for Sabre, a company based in Southlake, Texas, whose software powers airline-reservations systems. But over the past two years, Sabre has gradually standardized and has centralized its software service. As Sabre began to outsource its internal IT services, Lantz says, he became convinced that jobs like his were becoming endangered. He was laid off in December. (A company spokesman denies that Lantz´s firing was related to outsourcing.)

Discouraged by a depressed job market in Dallas, Lantz realized he would have to do something else. In the fall he will begin teaching computer science at Utah State University in Logan, and in the meantime he has learned a lesson of his own: “Find a job that requires direct hands-on work on site,” Lantz advises. “Anything that can be sent overseas is going to be sent overseas.”

Pat Fluno, 53, of Orlando, Florida, says she, like Maglione, had to train her replacement—a common practice in the domestic outsourcing industry—when her data-processing unit at Germany-based Siemens was outsourced to India´s Tata last year. “It´s extremely insulting,” she says. “The guy´s sitting there doing my old job.” After 10 months of looking, she is working again, but she had to take a $10,000 pay cut.

To protect domestic jobs, U.S. labor activists are pushing to limit the number of H-1B and L-1 visas granted to foreign workers. That would make it harder for offshore companies to have their employees working on site in the U.S. “Those programs were designed for a booming high-tech economy, not a busting high-tech economy,” says Courtney of the Washington Alliance of Technology Workers. Courtney and his allies are starting to get the attention of lawmakers. Several congressional committees have held hearings on the impact of offshore outsourcing on the U.S. economy, and lawmakers in five states have introduced bills that would limit or forbid filling government contracts through offshore outsourcing.

Stephanie Moore, a vice president of Forrester Research, says companies are concerned about the backlash but mainly because of the negative publicity. “The retail industry is very hush-hush about its offshoring,” she says. But within the boardroom, such outsourcing enjoys wide support. In a June survey of 1,000 firms by Gartner Research, 80% said the backlash would have no effect on their plans.

The advantages, businesses say, are just too great to ignore. They begin with cost but don´t end there. Jennifer Cotteleer, vice president of Phase Forward, a Waltham, Massachusetts, company that designs software for measuring clinical-trials data for drug companies, has for the past two years used offshore employees from Cognizant to customize the application for specific drug trials. Lately she has been relying on their expertise to develop even more-tailored programming. “I certainly couldn´t have grown this fast without them,” Cotteleer says. Her company is growing 30% annually, on track to reach $65 million in revenue this year. “What I´ve been able to do in very tough economic times is manage very directly to my margins,” she says. “I´m providing job security for the workers I do have.”

Creative use of offshore outsourcing, says Debashish Sinha of Gartner Research, offers benefits that outweigh the direct loss of jobs. In an economy that has shed 2 million jobs over two years, he contends, the 200,000 that have moved overseas are less significant than the potential for cost savings and strategic growth. But he concedes that “when you´re a laid-off employee who can´t find a job, that´s hard to understand.”

Perhaps some will follow the example of Dick Taggart, 41, of Old Greenwich, Connecticut. After 18 years in financial services, most recently at J.P. Morgan Chase, he now works for Progeon, an affiliate of the Indian outsourcing giant Infosys, as its man on Wall Street. One week out of every six or seven, he takes securities firms to India to show them the savings that are possible. He knows the transition is painful for the workers left behind, but he has seen it before. “It was the same thing when we moved from Wall Street to New Jersey and then to Dallas,” he says. “Guess what? This is next.”

 —With reporting by Sean Gregory/New York City


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: globalism; outsourcing
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To: Willie Green
Don't think your post #7 is good news for house painters. lol
41 posted on 07/28/2003 12:32:26 PM PDT by Life of Brian
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To: ColdSteelTalon
To call someone a loser who you do not know is very shallow.

I didn't call him a loser. I said:

Maybe the guy was misquoted, but he sounds like a real loser.

And I stand by that.

42 posted on 07/28/2003 12:32:50 PM PDT by Huck
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To: jpl
True. And as long as the "gimmie" crowd insists on their subsidized prescription drugs, their subsidized medical care, and their subsidized other items, a middle class income will not be enough to attain independance.

Our Founders are turning over in their graves wrt our tax system.

43 posted on 07/28/2003 12:34:49 PM PDT by sauropod ("Come over here and make me. I dare you. You little fruitcake, you little fruitcake.")
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To: Question_Assumptions
$300,000 or more

In the Bay Area ???? hehehe the only "house" that you will find for $300,000 has a sign that says "Fido" on it

44 posted on 07/28/2003 12:35:36 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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To: Willie Green
Not that it still doesn't hurt, but what goes round comes round.

Under NAFTA, US jobs went to Mexicao, and US workers bitched. Then those same jobs went from Mexico to China. Mexican workers bitched.

The same will happen to India. These jobs will eventually go to China (or come back here).

A Mid-East staple market - rug making - is already long gone to China.

Furniture making is long gone to Malaysia.
All those roads will lead to China.
45 posted on 07/28/2003 12:36:24 PM PDT by stylin19a (is it vietnam yet ?)
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To: Question_Assumptions
Actually, you DO live in New Jersey. And you think $54,000 is a good salary?

For half a household? Sure. The article doesn't mention the missus. If she can pull down 23K they will be right where they were. Or, if she already works, then times aren't as desparate as the article suggests. I wonder how many cars they own, what models, what size TV, what sort of cable/dish subscription, and other niceties they still maintain.

But my point is simply this: His employer isn't responsible for his finances. It's his mortgage and his bills. Live within your means and quit WHINING.

46 posted on 07/28/2003 12:38:02 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Question_Assumptions
Regardless, $54,000 isn't a good salary in Northeastern New Jersey, especially with three kids.

Then move. Or, he could just keep whining about it.

47 posted on 07/28/2003 12:40:13 PM PDT by Huck
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To: sauropod
Oh, yeah, I sure am smarting! LOL.
48 posted on 07/28/2003 12:41:21 PM PDT by Huck
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To: sauropod
The biggest tax problem in New Jersey is property taxes and spending more than $8000 per year on students when many private schools can and do give students a better education for less money is a crime. Of course New Jersey could have had a governor who was for school vouchers and cutting taxes instead of a sleazy politician who is in the pocket of more sleazy special interest groups than Bob Torricelli but New Jersey voters just had to protect their abortion rights and gun control at the expense of common sense. The election of McGreevey is the only thing more baffling than the election of Frank Lautenberg's corpse. I can only hope that McGreevey will create a Florio-like religious experience for New Jersey voters.
49 posted on 07/28/2003 12:41:43 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Huck
As a fellow ITer, I can say that most of the non-IT people in this country do not care about our plight, they think we were overpaid for sitting at our cubes. As far as the rest of the world, they love to see the US standard of living get knocked down a peg or two.

The bottom line is, don't expect anyone to help, especially the government. It's not what many want to hear, but it's the truth.
50 posted on 07/28/2003 12:42:57 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Willie Green
As usual, it's a story written by the media with only a shallow understanding of reality.

My last employer (now gone) attempted this by using H1B code cutters to replace full-time staff. There was NO savings, as the temp folks cost more initially, had no foundation skill set, took forever to learn what they needed to do, tried to spend their days chatting on IM with friends from back home... and so on.

MOST companies that attempt this are in for a bath, and I'm not talking about something that will clean them up.
;-)

Me... I'm a network geek; they're going to catch hell farming out what I do to somebody 6,000 miles away!
51 posted on 07/28/2003 12:43:49 PM PDT by drachenfels ("Cry Havoc, and Unleash the Pundits of War!")
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To: clamper1797
They are looking in the "hour-and-a-half commute" eastern suburb areas. Actually, the one house that come up on realtor.com for under $300,000 did look like "Fido" belonged over the door.
52 posted on 07/28/2003 12:43:49 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Wolfie
Actually, I was just doing my imitation of the folks whose jobs are not yet on the offshoring track.

I guess to me it boils down to self sufficiency. Don't get yourself into stuff you can't get out of. I am sorry the guy bought more house than he could afford. I am sorry he didn't save enough money when he was making a good salary. I am sorry he didn't prepare himself to be able to make money on his own if he had to. That's all a shame and I wish him the best of luck. But whining doesn't do any good, and folks have made it through much worse. My grandma raised three kids by herself through the Depression. This guy shutting off lights in the house isn't going to make me shed any tears. It's called capitalism and the free market. If you can't stand the heat, become a socialist.

53 posted on 07/28/2003 12:44:27 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Willie Green
To protect domestic jobs, U.S. labor activists are pushing to limit the number of H-1B and L-1 visas granted to foreign workers.

This is the wrong approach. They should be going India and organizing labor unions. Once they do that, the Indian workers will be as expensive to use as Americans!

54 posted on 07/28/2003 12:45:39 PM PDT by Redcloak (All work and no FReep makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no FReep make s Jack a dul boy. Allwork an)
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To: Huck
When we accept third world standards of living, then we'll be able to compete. Of course, there won't be many capitalists left at that point.
55 posted on 07/28/2003 12:47:34 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Redcloak
Then outsourcing to Africa makes sense. Many speak English there as well. I think that is why Bush is starting to pay attention to Africa, the corporations see it as the last bastion of cheap labor once India becomes too costly.
56 posted on 07/28/2003 12:48:28 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Question_Assumptions
Well ... a lot of people are doing just that ... moving to the eastern suburbs like Tracy Manteca and Brentwood ... and RUINING the quality of life out there (where I also happen to live). They are turning beautiful farm land into a little Orange county.
57 posted on 07/28/2003 12:50:05 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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To: dfwgator
Much of what you say is true. A lot of folks figure hey, you had a good ride, but it's over, which seems to be true. To me it's just common sense. We all knew at the time that it was an insane stock market--ok, not everyone knew, but come on, you had to have your head in the sand not to know--everyone knew that times were really cooking, that CEOs were delirious about the New Economy and were buying into it BIG TIME. And so, unless you were a total moron, you had to know it was going to end. Just common sense would tell you.

So what do you do? Well, if you are smart, you might try saving that money, and/or investing it wisely and prudently, while continuing to maintain a reasonable, frugal standard of living. But many didn't. And now they are on the curb.

I don't know. Maybe it's me. I am not that old, but I have already "retooled" myself a few times, and I basically go on the idea that a) no one owes me a living and b) you gotta huck and chuck to survive in this world. So I don't let it get me down if the stock market's down, or there's a war, or a recession, or whatever. Those are all just excuses to fail.

58 posted on 07/28/2003 12:51:24 PM PDT by Huck
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To: clamper1797
They are turning beautiful farm land into a little Orange county.

Capitalism.

59 posted on 07/28/2003 12:53:17 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Wolfie
Hmmm, I guess I need to accept that threads on this topic are pity parties. It's like when a woman is upset about something and tells you about, you're not supposed to offer solutions? She just wants to bitch? Same deal here. Nuff said.
60 posted on 07/28/2003 12:55:04 PM PDT by Huck
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