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The Eagles' new home gets rave reviews
The Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | July 27, 2003 | Larry Eichel

Posted on 07/28/2003 6:06:29 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel

Posted on Sun, Jul. 27, 2003 story:PUB_DESC
The Eagles' new home gets rave reviews
Season-ticket holders had their first look at Lincoln Financial Field. Hoagies notwithstanding, it was a happy throng.

Inquirer Staff Writer

They trickled in all day, thousands of them, Eagles season-ticket holders eager to get a look at their new seats in the new stadium.

And Doreen Baker, a part-time supermarket worker from Northeast Philadelphia, spoke for the overwhelming majority of them.

"I'm speechless, to tell you the truth," said Baker, who was wearing an Eagles necklace, pale green Eagles blouse, black Eagles pants and bright green Eagles nails. "It's absolutely gorgeous. I'm so close to the action I feel I could catch an overthrown pass."

You'd expect her to be happy. Her seats at Lincoln Financial Field are in the fifth row up from the field and at the 37-yard-line. But similar sentiments were expressed by Michael Fickenscher, whose seats are way up in the south end zone, some 200 stair-steps above street level and 10 rows from the very top of the building.

"I like the view, the sight lines are way better than they were at the Vet," said Fickenscher, a restaurant manager from Washington Township.

"At the Vet," he said, "we couldn't see the back of the end zone; we had to rely on people cheering to tell us if the Eagles had scored a touchdown. We had to look behind us to see the video board. Here, there's one directly in front of us, down at the other end of the field. It's high where we are, but we can see just fine."

Such opinions were the rule throughout the stadium, in the high-priced seats down below and in the steep slopes of the upper deck. People praised the sight lines, the number of bathrooms, the legroom, the cupholders at every seat.

But a few fans who arrived unhappy with their seat assignments left with feelings unchanged.

Consider Shel Klein, a grocer from Lafayette Hill. At the Vet, he had lower-level seats on the 50-yard-line, seats that had been in his family since that stadium opened and before. His seats at the Linc are at the 38.

"They talk about sight lines - How could you have better sight lines than being at the 50?" Klein asked after seeing his new location. "Do I don't feel any better? No. This place seems very sterile to me, more of a corporate atmosphere.

"If they put a winning product on the field, I'll still be able to enjoy the games," he said. "But I won't be able to stop wondering who has the seats we should have. Is it Mr. Lincoln? Or is it Mr. Financial?"

Another less-than-fully-satisfied customer was Keith Quinn of Hammonton, N.J., who comes to the games with his grandson and has two lower-level seats in the southeast corner of the stadium.

"I like the place, but I'm not happy with the idea that you can't bring food in," he said.

"Basically, I guess, I'm happy," he said. "I'll stay with it because my grandson loves to come. I just was hoping for a little better for what I paid."

Eagles senior vice president Don Smolenski said that 10,000 people had passed through the gates as of 1 p.m. and only a handful had registered official complaints about anything.

By the end of the day, more than 40,000 fans had shown up, the team said. To keep them entertained, the Eagles' organization had the video boards up and running, showing the graphic elements that will be used to celebrate Eagles touchdowns, and for highlight films and features on Eagles players.

The concession and souvenir stands were open and doing a brisk business.

Several fans, though, expressed their anger over the outside food ban the team is imposing and said they planned not to spend any money inside the stadium during the season.

Team officials have characterized the ban, which is in place in about half of all NFL venues, as a security measure rather than an economic one.

"For the Eagles to use 9/11 as an excuse to ban hoagies is an insult to the fans," said George Kaiser, a shipping manager from the Port Richmond section of Philadelphia, whose new seats are at the 40-yard line, upper deck, five rows from the top. "But I haven't found anything wrong with this place yet.

"It's awesome, it really is," he said. "You've got an escalator all the way to the top. The view of the city is amazing. You're higher, but you're closer to the field. They built a beautiful stadium - you can't take that away from them. Anyone who would complain about this place is insane."

The stadium will be open to the general public today from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m.


Contact staff writer Larry Eichel at 215-854-2415 or leichel@phillynews.com.


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I visited the stadium yesterday with my kids and was extremely impressed with the facility!  Of course what stands out the most is the incredible sight lines- there really isn't a bad seat in the house.  The seats are much closer to the action and no real-estate is eaten up by a useless interior concourse.  Seems like there's plenty of access to enter and exit too.
 
A couple of things I did notice though, the winds may end up having a significant effect on the field as they tend to get amplified.  It was difficult to determine exactly what this will do to the passing game, but it will need to be taken into account in the kicking game.  Also, the upper level (200 level) could be brutal in December (I can't imagine what a December MNF Game would be like).  However, this didn't seem to be much of an issue Saturday and a friend of mine who's played baseball on the fields on Oregon Ave for 12 years said the winds Sunday were very unusual, so maybe that's an anomaly.
 
Also, the angle of incline in the 200 level seemed extremely steep.  God forbid someone takes a mis-step up there, I could imagine dire consequences.  While it's hard to translate the experience of sitting in a section, more or less alone, to a packed Eagles game, being that high up on that steep an incline can give you a touch of acrophobia (fear of heights).
 
It'll be fascinating to see what people think of the facility when the boys start hitting in anger, but it's truly a first class facility.

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”


1 posted on 07/28/2003 6:06:29 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel
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To: Temple Owl; Tribune7; Dr. Scarpetta; NittanyLion; Boog26

Philadelphia Eagles Ping...

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

2 posted on 07/28/2003 6:07:43 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel ("Europeans lost the will to live the moral life long ago." - Ben Shapiro)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Is it going to retain the bone breaking "turf" that the Vet had?
3 posted on 07/28/2003 6:11:00 AM PDT by csvset
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To: Owl_Eagle
Oh. I thought maybe Don Henley bought a new house in Malibu. Sorry.
4 posted on 07/28/2003 6:12:50 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (White Devils for Sharpton. We're baaaaad. We're Nationwide)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Have they installed the new version of the "Veteran's Stadium" peep holes into the cheerleader's changing room yet?
5 posted on 07/28/2003 6:16:42 AM PDT by FlJoePa
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To: Owl_Eagle
Giant fan/Eagle hater here, but congrats on your new stadium. Sounds great, you guys must be lovin' it after so many years of the Vet. Maybe we'll take the roadtrip down the Thruway for the Jint game this year.

The winds here in NY were definitely abnormal all day, causing havoc at our pool outing. I'm sure it was the same in Philly, so don't judge it by yesterday.

6 posted on 07/28/2003 6:20:38 AM PDT by Jhensy
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To: Owl_Eagle
While I am admittedly NOT a sports fan; I have no problem with building sports arena's for the multi-billionare owners, who hire the multi-millionare players. However, when the stadium is funded by every taxpayer in the state; whether they ever go to a game, or not ... I take issue.

A sports stadium is an entertainment venue, just like a theater, roller-rink or rodeo. It is not a hospital, police station or educational facility. With that in mind, why aren't these structures funded by the teams that play in them??? I have yet to see the taxpayers get a tax refund if the team is successful. After all, if this while 'stadium' is an investment; when it makes a profit, isn't it only fair that the owners share in the proceeds?

If hundreds of millions of dollars 'need' to be invested in a 'cultural' center for the state's citizens ... I think that a fraction of that amount would rebuild pretty much every state park facility, add hundreds of acres to the state's natural areas and be put to far better use.

7 posted on 07/28/2003 6:21:42 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: csvset

Natural grass on this one.

I will miss the intimidation factor that brought to the game though....

 


Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

8 posted on 07/28/2003 6:23:46 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel ("Europeans lost the will to live the moral life long ago." - Ben Shapiro)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Of course what stands out the most is the incredible sight lines...the winds may end up having a significant effect on the field as they tend to get amplified...Also, the angle of incline in the 200 level seemed extremely steep.

Sounds like Santa is dead meat from the snowball throwing cheesesteak fans.

All kidding aside, it sounds like a nice place for Shockey to kick ass in. Thanks for building it.

9 posted on 07/28/2003 6:24:01 AM PDT by MattinNJ (As soon as we could see out of our big black eye, man, we lit up your world like the 4th of July)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Does it have an on site jail ???

Just kidding. I am a die hard Giants fan but I wish the Eagles and their fans much happiness and success in their new home.

Not too much success though.
10 posted on 07/28/2003 6:25:54 AM PDT by XRdsRev
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To: Owl_Eagle
Natural grass on this one.

That's the surface football and baseball was meant to played on.

11 posted on 07/28/2003 6:26:38 AM PDT by csvset
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To: Hodar
I agree and I am a sports fan. It is a shame that many pols fall over themselves to get in line to throw taxpayer money at wealthy sports franchises but are nowhere to be found when it comes to supporting parks, open space or historical sites.

A sports stadium is just an entertainment venue. A Revolutionary War or Civil War battlefield is sacred ground. Sometimes it is a bummer to see where our priorities lay.
12 posted on 07/28/2003 6:31:57 AM PDT by XRdsRev
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To: FlJoePa

Have they installed the new version of the "Veteran's Stadium" peep holes into the cheerleader's changing room yet?

I'm generally not in the habit of shilling Eagles Merchandise, but there is a new Eagles Cheerleader Lingerie Calendar for sale and posting a couple of my favorites could go a long way towards sparking up a drab July Monday, so...

 


Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

13 posted on 07/28/2003 6:32:12 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel ("Europeans lost the will to live the moral life long ago." - Ben Shapiro)
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To: Hodar

...when the stadium is funded by every taxpayer in the state; whether they ever go to a game, or not ... I take issue.

Speaking as a sports fan who will use the stadium for both NFL and College Football, I completely agree with you on that point.  Despite the fact that I'm using it, soaking me through taxes (I paid both State and Local for this) is unconscionable.  I'm totally unconvinced that the increased tax revenue brought in by sales and payroll taxes will represent a net gain for either the state or city.


Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

14 posted on 07/28/2003 6:36:34 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel ("Europeans lost the will to live the moral life long ago." - Ben Shapiro)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Well, the Cowboys have Parcells now, and so far the score is Cowboys

with three more appearances, while the Eagles are still staying here.

BTW, can you tell I'm READY FOR FOOTBALL SEASON?????

Seriesly, congratulations on the new stadium. Keep McNabb healthy and you guys may get really successful.

15 posted on 07/28/2003 6:38:28 AM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: Richard Kimball

Despite the fact that as an Iggles fan, I'm genetically programmed to hate the Cowboys, I'm looking forward to renewing what was a great rivalry and some edge of the seat competitive games!  It'll be intriguing to see what Parcells does to turn the team around.

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

16 posted on 07/28/2003 6:42:18 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel ("Europeans lost the will to live the moral life long ago." - Ben Shapiro)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Hey, glad you guys got a new stadium. I saw an Eagles/Packers game at the Vet many years ago, and that place was horrible.

By the way, I just got my tix for the MNF game in November which has the Eagles coming to Lambeau Field. Should be a GREAT game.
17 posted on 07/28/2003 6:53:50 AM PDT by WI Conservative 4 Bush (Nobody speaks English, and everything's broken...)
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To: Owl_Eagle
It sounds fabulous!
This article was in my local newspaper:


No More 'Three Days of Hell'

NFL requests that Andy Reid cuts back on tough practices.
Saturday, July 26, 2003
By PAUL SOKOLOSKI
The Express-Times

BETHLEHEM -- The Philadelphia Eagles can kiss their "Three Days of Hell" goodbye.

Those grueling, hard-hitting double sessions that marked the first three days of padded training camp practices under head coach Andy Reid are now a thing of the past.

After strong encouragement from the NFL offices, Reid has scrapped his plan to put the Eagles through full-team, full-contact sessions Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.

"It stems back to the Korey Stringer incident and liability," Reid said. "Since we were the only ones that did it, I was reminded of it."

Stringer, a highly-regarded offensive lineman who helped the Minnesota Vikings to the NFC championship game in 2000, was coming off a Pro Bowl season when he collapsed and died from dehydration in the intense heat of Vikings training camp two summers ago.

Reid said he doesn't mind changing his usual training camp program, nicknamed "Three Days of Hell," and stressed that he wasn't actually ordered to do so by league officials.

"Times change. Gotta change with them," Reid said Friday, as rookies and a handful of select veterans reported to Lehigh for today's camp-opening 10:30 a.m. practice at the Goodman Complex.

"It's a good thing. You look at the Korey Stringer incident, you see a couple other things happen ... this is just another part of that, a little bit of caution here."

So call the revised drills "Three Days of Purgatory."

"We'll have the same practice in the afternoons, but we'll go in shells," said Reid, meaning players will practice in helmets and shorts. "You know how we go without pads on. It'll still be fast and tough."

Yet, Reid showed no regret over producing those lively training camp sessions of years past -- when players fought through fatigue to find inner strength and produce two straight appearances in the NFC title game.

"It's been successful for us," Reid said. "The players came in good shape, and obviously, they had to do that. The timing of the practice (next week) will be the same length and the drills will be the same. They'll just have shells (in the afternoon)."

Now, if the Eagles can get their first-round draft pick in action.

Former University of Miami star Jerome McDougle, chosen as the 15th overall pick and the heir-apparent to the departed Hugh Douglas, was the only invited player who missed Friday's 7 p.m. meeting for rookies. McDougle still is unsigned and can't come to camp without a contract.

The rest of the check-ins included Philadelphia's rookie draft picks and free agent signings; veteran quarterbacks Donovan McNabb, Koy Detmer, A.J. Feeley and Tim Hasselbeck; and defensive end Derrick Burgess and running back Correll Buchhalter -- who are both returning from season-ending injuries.

Strangely, defensive tackle Hollis Thomas -- who underwent two foot operations in the past two years and hasn't played since late in the 2001 regular season -- wasn't requested to report early.

"Hollis is in very good shape right now," Reid said. "That was a concern, when you have a big guy with a foot problem trying to put weight on it. He had some goals he wanted to meet and we feel that he did that."

Thomas is expected to join the rest of the Eagles veterans, who are scheduled to report to Lehigh on Monday. They'll go through an unpadded afternoon practice Tuesday and begin hitting in full gear Wednesday.

Until then, the weekend will hold a lot of hope for possible future Eagles.

"I'm real psyched," said Billy McMullen, a record-setting receiver from Virginia who signed a four-year contract Thursday night.

"It's a really exciting time right now. It's like the first day of school again. I said, 'I'd better get here as soon as possible.' I think it was real important, not only for this year but learning the offense for my future.
18 posted on 07/28/2003 7:16:26 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: WI Conservative 4 Bush

I just got my tix for the MNF game in November which has the Eagles coming to Lambeau Field. Should be a GREAT game.

A buddy and I were going over the schedule Saturday on our way back from Eagles Training Camp (I lead a full and rich life...) and that was one of several games that jumped out as trouble spots on the schedule!

I saw an Eagles/Packers game at the Vet many years ago, and that place was horrible.

The two best traits of the Vet were 1.  The Phillies tickets were cheap and readily available (you don't get 62,000 showing up for a mid summer ballgame too often) 2. It was right next to the Pattison Ave Subway stop.  Not a whole lot else in the plus column there.


Just curious, but what's your take on the Packers WR and TE positions?  I obviously don't get to see them as much as I'd like to, to get a good read on them.

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

19 posted on 07/28/2003 7:23:32 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel ("Europeans lost the will to live the moral life long ago." - Ben Shapiro)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Here's another article from my paper:
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At Least One Miami player Is in Camp
Saturday, July 26, 2003
Paul Sokoloski

The big rookie pass rusher, with a whole lot of promise, walked into training camp full of excitement and proclaimed himself ready to make an immediate impact for the Philadelphia Eagles.

Only it wasn't the defensive end from the University of Miami that everyone is waiting to see.

This was Jamaal Green, the other Eagles draft pick straight off the defensive line of the Hurricanes, coming back home and trying to turn all of those imaginary tackles he made for the Eagles as a kid growing up in Camden, N.J. into reality this season.

To read entire article:
http://www.pennlive.com/sports/expresstimes/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1059210287250090.xml
20 posted on 07/28/2003 7:24:00 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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