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MR. POSTMAN ???
07/27/03 | vanity

Posted on 07/27/2003 5:29:58 PM PDT by genefromjersey

After reading " The Killer Strain ", and a lot of anthrax conspiracy-related material, one hard-to-dispute theory seems to present itself:

The anthrax-laden materials found in the envelopes came from our own military research labs.( One specimen Russian microbiologist Alibek examined had gotten soaked prior to examination, and was understandably "clumpy", but the rest was superfine, electrostatically charged,and made in accordance with the Patrick process.)

Quite some time before the attacks, there were massive layoffs at Ft. Detrick: the primary repository of this "hot" material. Administrative discipline, according to many reports, had become extremely slack, and, according to a later audit, quite a bit of potentially dangerous material "couldn't be accounted for".It is difficult to escape the conclusion some of the unaccounted-for material was used in the anthrax attacks.

Move ahead in time a bit, and we meet " The Postman ": a person who has,in some unknown fashion, gotten his hands a few grams of weapons-grade anthrax.Who knows : Maybe he traded a couple of ounces of Columbia's best-known export for it; maybe he bought it for cash on speculation. Again: who knows?

The Postman ( Forgive me, ladies if I assign a masculine gender to this unknown. Yes, I know: Some of you probably have the "stones" to do something like this, but the packaging was pretty crude ! ) may or may not have been a trained micro-biologist. He didn't have to be.All he needed to do was get the mail out.

(Actually, the crudeness of the packaging tends to confirm he lacked the skill to make the lethal stuff himself; though he probably needed access to at least a Level II Safety Cabinet.)

By now, the whole world knows a safety cabinet is a glass enclosure - (that does not in the least resemble a minnow trap )- and that it is equipped with air filtration to keep the bad stuff from escaping, and sealed glove access panels, so a researcher can manipulate materials in the cabinet-and live to talk about it.

I would guess the particular safety cabinet The Postman used was located not too far from where the "love letters" were mailed; and that The Postman was either a very adept night watchman, who was able to work without risk of discovery, or-more likely - a trusted company employee whose use of the cabinet would go unquestioned.

I'm told, if the anthrax was kept very cold, it would be fairly safe to work on it in a Level II cabinet.The Postman had his letters ready - copies actually- which had been trimmed down crudely to fit inside a small, pre-stamped postal envelope, after being folded into a small "pouch", filled with the nasty stuff, and sealed in classy fashion with transparent tape.( If you've looked at the pictures,you'll see it was a typical "guy" sealing job - the kind a lot of us do when wrapping gifts.)

So far, The Postman has not emerged as a Nobel-class scientist, has he ? He probably dreamed up this caper from a pirated copy of Bill Patrick's paper on Anthrax mail attacks, and didn't know what in Tophet he was dealing with: anthrax so fine it would leak through the pores of any envelope not specially treated.

I kind of wonder what he did once the extent of his own stupidity began to dawn on him. Did he wipe down the safety cabinet? Change the filters ? Engage in an orgy of belated house-keeping ? I don't think he would have been stupid enough to risk some unsuspecting lab worker getting dermal anthrax ( or worse ).

What do you microbiological types think ?


TOPICS: Anthrax Scare; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: anthrax; bioterrorism; killerstrain; labwork; weaponsgrade
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1 posted on 07/27/2003 5:29:58 PM PDT by genefromjersey
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To: genefromjersey
The anthrax-laden materials found in the envelopes came from our own military research labs

What exactly makes you think this is the case? The only evidence supporting that is the fact it was the Ames strain...but we know that teh Ames strain has been sent abroad, most notably the UK, and most experts believe that Iraq probably had Ames too (from the ATCC). I still put my money on the jihadis. Why else did the anthrax letters stop when we rounded them up?
2 posted on 07/27/2003 5:35:51 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: genefromjersey
Sounds like Dr. Hatfil to me ... that's the guy's name, right? Hatfil?
3 posted on 07/27/2003 5:38:04 PM PDT by Ken522
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LINKS OF INTEREST:

FBI.gov: AMERITHRAX INVESTIGATION - SEEKING INFORMATION - SUBMIT A TIP

YAHOO! News - ANTHRAX articles

ANANOVA.com: "U.S. ANTHRAX OUTBREAK" Articles

CDC: "Disease - ANTHRAX"

FBI.gov: Photo copy of Anthrax Letters, Envelopes (102301)



4 posted on 07/27/2003 5:47:02 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: genefromjersey
The tape was wrapped around the entire envelope. That was because the anthrax attacker knew the anthrax could leak out through the paper from which postagepaid envelopes are manufactured.

That, BTW, means the envelopes had been tested for porosity earlier, in a laboratory environment.

That means we don't know if this attack is over or if the post office mishandled even more anthrax letters that have yet to appear.

If you understand the postal system you would have seen multitudinous instances of mishandling of the anthrax letters.

I think Ken and I need to sit down over a case or two of beer and discuss the whole business to the full.

5 posted on 07/27/2003 5:51:05 PM PDT by muawiyah
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The tape was wrapped around the entire envelope.

Huh? Are you saying that every square inch of each envelope was covered by tape, front and back?

6 posted on 07/27/2003 5:59:59 PM PDT by BagCamAddict
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To: BagCamAddict
Go back to the news articles concerning the discovery that all of the tape on all of the envelopes came from the very same roll of tape.

The FBI guy made a total film image of all surfaces. Through microscopic analysis he found the serrations at each end and matched them up.

There's a touch of speculation in the public news about the tape, but what I gathered through the "newsie" report of what the FBI spokesman said about the analyst's discovery was that standard package sealing tape had been wrapped around each envelope end to end.

The leakage was at the top (from the small space in the wings), and the bottom.

You could have safely handled these envelopes when freshly prepared because there was no leakage at that time~!

Numerous commenters have forgotten about this aspect of the envelopes. It means the folks who put them together knew that the anthrax spores would leak through the paper the post office uses for it's envelopes. They would have discovered that by experimenting with those envelopes earlier.

That's why you see several of the terrorists checking out medicine for an anthrax infection several months earlier. Bet they purchased their package sealing tape at that very same drugstore as well.

7 posted on 07/27/2003 6:55:47 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Badabing Badaboom
The FBI has a lot invested in their "profiling" techniques. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't work. At the moment they are keeping it going to cover for the fact they don't have a clue in how the anthrax attack was mounted or why it happened the way it did.

That's because they have yet to interview a single individual at USPS with a comprehensive knowledge of the way the entire sytem works and why so many surprising things happened.

Clue to the clueless: Postal Inspectors typically do not have a comprehensive knowledge of the way the postal system works ~ they do, on the other hand, have a comprehensive knowledge of the way to investigate things ~ knowing a system, and knowing how to investigate a system are two different bodies of knowledge.

9 posted on 07/27/2003 7:41:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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I think the early AMI attack could be explained-(something that occurred to me over my 2nd cup of coffee this morning)- "The Postman" had real hatred of the AMI publications because of their persistent,and heartless use of photos of people with genetic defects as a means of creating sensation, and selling newspapers.

Would this suggest The Postman has a conscience ?

In spite of everything,I think he might.

10 posted on 07/28/2003 4:43:14 AM PDT by genefromjersey (So little time - so many FLAMES to light !!)
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I don't think of Hatfill as Mr. Postman-but there is still a possibility he may have played some role.
11 posted on 07/28/2003 4:46:53 AM PDT by genefromjersey (So little time - so many FLAMES to light !!)
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To: Badabing Badaboom
The CDC people,from what I've read, had no idea the anthrax could leak through the pores of an envelope; and were, to some extent, clueless-not because they were stupid or careless, but because their training had never embraced the subject of bio-warfare.

I don't think much of the J-Lo letters.Celebrities get tons of mail: a certain % of which is threatening. ( Mmmmm... Bet she could make a fortune doing Charmin commercials !)
15 posted on 07/28/2003 4:58:28 AM PDT by genefromjersey (So little time - so many FLAMES to light !!)
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To: Badabing Badaboom
In answer to an earlier question: How did the weapons-grade anthrax (etc.?) get out of "high security" government facilities ? I might be able to suggest a possibility: substitution.

Dugway made extensive use of sterile anthrax.Somebody explained to me the bacillus is rendered incapable of reproducing by stripping away the Y Layer (?) ( It's been over 50 years since Invertebrate Biology 101, so please bear with me if I goof on the technical details.)

This material was made up into simulated weapons-grade stuff, which could be used safely for testing protective gear,training miltary personnel in bio-warfare response, etc. It looks like, and acts like the real thing; and, after a test, you can look for those distinctive anthracis bacilli; but, for conversational purposes, I'll call it "de-caf".

I doubt there was anything like serious security accounting for de-caf.I read somewhere about Hatfill demonstrating it to a writer named Fred Reed.

Common sense suggests de-caf was kept in containers that were quite different from those the "hot stuff" was in. Common sense also suggests, if you wanted to steal a few grams of the hot stuff,you could replace it with a vial of de-caf, bearing hot stuff labels.

Could this be done ? Well, if you were to look through the old files of the Jewelers' Security Alliance, you'd see this sort of substitution is carried out under the very noses of jewelers every day: A few seconds of distraction, and a $20,000 diamond ring is replaced with a similar-looking $ 20 substitute !

17 posted on 07/28/2003 6:35:39 AM PDT by genefromjersey (So little time - so many FLAMES to light !!)
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To: muawiyah
I've never seen anything to suggest there was anything more than a taping of the flaps.I've never seen anything to suggest Mr. Postman cared enough to run tests on envelopes.

The very nature of mail-handling machinery is such that any tendency to leak would be exacerbated - but Postal and CDC officials didn't find out until too late.

What scares me is that Mr. Postman might still have a lovely collection of nasty-ass crap that he is saving for a "get out of jail card".
18 posted on 07/28/2003 9:13:26 AM PDT by genefromjersey (So little time - so many FLAMES to light !!)
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The stories pointing to Dr. Hatfil, based on the Barbara Hatch Rosenberg speculations, are the ones that refer to the "flaps taped shut".

Articles based on FBI descriptions of the envelopes themselves all refer to the Daschle envelope as being "heavily taped".

A brief article that didn't get much circulation in the major media pointed to tape on all the envelopes. An FBI analyst determined all of the tape came from a single roll. He matched up the serrations.

You can do a search in FR for "taped". Reference the archives. Do not use "tape". Or, you can go to www.google.com and search for "anthrax envelope tape" to get a good selection.

I just now noticed the difference between the Rosenberg stories and the government stories regarding this issue. I suspect the differences derives from the intention of the writer ~ either to slam Dr. Hatfil or to advance knowledge (but not both).

20 posted on 07/28/2003 9:29:50 AM PDT by muawiyah
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