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Some Parents Question Wisdom of Tax Cuts
The Citizen ^ | 7-27-03 | DAVID CRARY-AP

Posted on 07/27/2003 5:21:22 PM PDT by Kudsman

Some Parents Question Wisdom of Tax Cuts

By DAVID CRARY For millions of middle-class families, the check is in the mail _ $400, $800, perhaps more _ courtesy of Congress. Parents benefiting from the expanded child tax credit will welcome the cash, but some question the wisdom of such payouts at a time of deficits and cutbacks.

"I'd rather have the public services and the public schools have the money they need," said Jean Powers, 41, a mother of two from Beaverton, Ore. "I'm not happy with it."

Even more displeased are some of the low-income parents not receiving the checks _ notably those who earn less than roughly $26,000 and are excluded from the credit because they don't pay enough federal income tax.

"I'm very angry," said Linda Hayes, 40, an office manager in Grand Rapids, Mich. A single mother, she supports a 14-year-old son and 9-year-old daughter on a $23,000 salary.

"I'm tired of working hard and still not being able to provide properly for my children," she said. "I'm tired of having to choose canned vegetables instead of fresh ones. I feel I don't count, my kids don't count."

She said some better-off families might simply invest their payments; she would have used hers to get car repairs and corrective lens for her son, who lacks medical insurance.

The first round of rebate checks for the child tax credit were mailed out Friday, aimed primarily at families earning $26,000 to $110,000 with children under 17. Worth up to $400 per child, the checks are the result of a tax cut enacted in May.

"I'm happy to get money in the summer because money is tight," said Tom Franke, a high school teacher, swim coach and father of two from Maple Grove, Minn. But he questioned whether the credit made sense as the federal deficit grows.

"The government is cutting our funding to our schools, and that makes me a little bit nervous. We needed extra money to fund our war," he said. "There are better ways to spend this money."

Randi Born of Plymouth, Minn., said the checks will be welcome at a time when her two teenage sons are preparing to return to school

"It is just kind of like a little gift," said Born. "If I was good person I would donate it. But maybe what the government wants me to do is to spend it and stimulate the economy."

The rebate checks are to be mailed by Aug. 8 to more than 25 million taxpayers. Critics contend the program should be extended to 7 million more low-income households with about 12 million children.

Melinda Dutton, director of policy at the New York branch of the Children's Defense Fund, said the economic stimulus would be greater if the House of Representatives dropped its opposition to including those poor families.

"Nobody is more likely to put it right into the economy than low-income working families." she said. "They are struggling to pay for child care, rent, groceries."

That argument resonated with Anna Connor, a mother of two from Albany, N.Y.

"It's not going to make a big difference for me," she said of her expected check. "I feel bad for the people who need it and aren't going to get it."

"There are better ways to stimulate the economy," agreed Eileen Holand, a real estate agent and mother of three from New Richmond, Wis.

Joan Medlen of Portland, Ore., who has two children, was pleased to hear about the payment.

But with a teenager suffering from Down syndrome and autism, the money won't go far, Medlen said. Unlike some states, Oregon doesn't provide financial assistance to middle-class families that have children with disabilities.

"We put out significant money for skilled care for our child," she said. "Eight-hundred dollars, while helpful, doesn't even make a dent."

Curt Roseman, 32, of Cary, N.C., said the check for his two children would likely go into their college savings plan, not for a shopping spree.

"Not until I see the economy turn around a little more," said Roseman, a utility company employee. "Until people see unemployment rates go down, they're not going to spend discretionary cash."

Paul Lynch, 54, a parks worker in Cincinnati, said his check will go toward his 13-year-old son's tuition at a parochial school.

"It's useful," he said. "As far as stimulating the economy, I don't think so. They (Washington) have tried everything, and nothing seems to work."

But Toby Placencia, 45, of Vancouver, Wash., had no complaints and no quibbling. "Any time the government doesn't take more money, it's a good idea," he said.


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To: Kudsman
"I'd rather have the public services and the public schools have the money they need," said Jean Powers, 41, a mother of two from Beaverton, Ore. "I'm not happy with it."

What an idiot!She could take the money, buy some educational materials with it, teach her own kids (even after school cause they're probably gonna need it no matter HOW much money the school gets) and use the rest to do for herself and her family!

41 posted on 07/27/2003 7:13:34 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: xrp
Bravo! You should send that in to a newspaper as a letter to the editor. Maybe it will wake some of the sheeple out of their stupor.
42 posted on 07/27/2003 7:13:50 PM PDT by Vesuvian
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To: Kudsman
It's posts like this that scare me. Look how readily people are to just trust their money to the government like the good slaves they are. Please, I'm too stupid to spend it, give it to someone else oh all knowing welfare state!
43 posted on 07/27/2003 7:15:44 PM PDT by Mr.Clark (From the darkness....I shall come)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace; All
excluded from the credit because they don't pay enough federal income tax"

LOL. Thx for the correction. I knew I could count on some FRiends to accurately dissect the PC and enlightened adjectives and adverbs that the Libs like to use as qualifiers to fit the message of the agenda.

What Libs really mean to say is they (the ever beneficent,bleeding heart,nothing is fair till we all feel equal pain, courtesy of the government crowd) will be the ones to say who pays enough!! How dare the citizenry have a say in what is fair taxation for fair representation!!! What are you going to do? Have a Tea Party for crying out loud. [/sarcasm]

BTW it is my opinion that alot of Representatives ain't been representing Americans a whole lot lately. We are getting pretty tangled up with the UN and UNESCO again. :-(

44 posted on 07/27/2003 7:17:54 PM PDT by Kudsman (LETS GET IT ON!!! The price of freedom is vigilance. Tyranny is free of charge.)
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To: Kudsman
Hey, thanks for the laughs!
45 posted on 07/27/2003 7:23:32 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: Consort
Have you been hanging around unspun again? You are starting to communicate alike. :-))
46 posted on 07/27/2003 7:23:34 PM PDT by Kudsman (LETS GET IT ON!!! The price of freedom is vigilance. Tyranny is free of charge.)
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To: Mr.Clark
I hear ya. Now make sure the neighbors do please. Thanks.
47 posted on 07/27/2003 7:30:14 PM PDT by Kudsman (LETS GET IT ON!!! The price of freedom is vigilance. Tyranny is free of charge.)
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To: edsheppa; All
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48 posted on 07/27/2003 7:50:16 PM PDT by Kudsman (LETS GET IT ON!!! The price of freedom is vigilance. Tyranny is free of charge.)
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To: Kudsman
"I'd rather have the public services and the public schools have the money they need," said Jean Powers, 41, a mother of two from Beaverton, Ore. "I'm not happy with it."

An obvious product of the public school system. No concept of basic economics or public policy. Hey, lady. If you don't want the money: DONATE IT TO SOMEONE ELSE. Good grief. Patheticly stupid.

49 posted on 07/27/2003 8:05:08 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat (Help us elect Republicans in Kentucky! Click on my name for links to all the 2003 candidates!)
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To: xrp
It's amazing how ignorant those people are, and also the ignorance of this so-called newsreporter who wrote this piece of garbage. No concept whatsoever of basic economics and public policy.
50 posted on 07/27/2003 8:08:23 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat (Help us elect Republicans in Kentucky! Click on my name for links to all the 2003 candidates!)
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To: Republican Wildcat
I can hardly wait for the screaming and gnashing of teeth next year when the next round of tax cuts are debated!

How can I say this? I actually believed my Congressman, Pete Sessions, when my family and I met him in his office about a month ago.

When I thanked him for his vote on the most recent round of tax cuts, he said 'there's more coming'. He understands that it's going to take a sustained fiscal effort to get this economy back on track.

As for our share of the tax credit, my wife has already spent it....whoodathunkit?

Honey...I was only kidding...POW...WHAP...OUCH!!!

Actually, we used the proceeds to cover our lodging bills from vacation.

51 posted on 07/27/2003 8:29:28 PM PDT by Night Hides Not
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To: Kudsman
This article is so slanted I have to lay down to read it. In the first place, there's no limit to the amount of taxes a person can pay. If these brainwashed socialists want to send the check back, or simply not cash it, that's their perogative. Secondly, I've never met a single person who has this "take" of being saddened by getting some of their own money back. And finally, Congress didn't give us anything - the money was taken from the checks of people who have jobs. This is also known as stealing. The thing we should do at this point is demand that congress stop taking our money.
52 posted on 07/27/2003 8:35:09 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: AD from SpringBay
The thing we should do at this point is demand that congress stop taking our money.

Agreed. And the other thing we have to do is tell the Government to quit raising the bar as to who is classified poor. Poorness is a subjective state IMO. It is up to the one affixing the label what being poor constitutes. To the Libs that like to play class warfare someone earning $26,000 is poor. Cash welfare, food, housing, health care, utilities, transportation, even "weatherization" of homes is paid by taxpayers to freeloaders (along with the Government salaries of the "providers"). All these (and any benis i forgot) add up to $26,000 and beyond. So why would an entry level position where you had to pass a drug/sobriety test and maintain regular attendance sound attractive? Especially when you have communist enablers speaking on the floor of the House and Senate about giving more of other people's money to you for doing squat! I guess they figure they need a raise. After all cigarette and booze taxes are rising as fast as the price of good paying instant Lotto jackpots. Not to mention the Indians are building this nice new "sovereign" casino to feed this new enslaving vice. ;-)

53 posted on 07/27/2003 9:11:05 PM PDT by Kudsman (LETS GET IT ON!!! The price of freedom is vigilance. Tyranny is free of charge.)
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To: Kudsman
"I'm tired of working hard and still not being able to provide properly for my children," she said. "I'm tired of having to choose canned vegetables instead of fresh ones. I feel I don't count, my kids don't count."

Why can't she grow her own vegetables and freeze or can them herself? Not very enterprising, is she?

54 posted on 07/27/2003 10:56:25 PM PDT by exDemMom (Michael Jackson for Governor!)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
the low-income parents not receiving the checks _ notably those who earn less than roughly $26,000 and are excluded from the credit because they don't pay enough federal income tax.

I would like to add that the high-income parents not receiving the checks _ notably those who earn more than roughly $110,000 and are excluded from the credit even though they pay a mind boggling amount of income tax.

55 posted on 07/27/2003 11:28:28 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: Kudsman
Reading this article made me so very mad. I can't believe we have let this get so out of hand. I hope W's 2nd term brings some real tax reform.

I just want to scream at these people, "You are stealing from me, becuase you think you deserve the fruits of my labor and some liberal in Washington agrees."
56 posted on 07/28/2003 7:23:44 AM PDT by Mad_at_Taxes
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To: Mad_at_Taxes
BL

becuase
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See what happens when we get mad and scream. We say things we don't mean. LOL. To borrow a lib phrase I feel your pain.

I do it all the time too. Its not that series. ;-)

57 posted on 07/28/2003 7:06:28 PM PDT by Kudsman (LETS GET IT ON!!! The price of freedom is vigilance. Tyranny is free of charge.)
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To: Mad_at_Taxes
BTW welcome to the land of FReepers.
58 posted on 07/28/2003 7:08:49 PM PDT by Kudsman (LETS GET IT ON!!! The price of freedom is vigilance. Tyranny is free of charge.)
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To: Mad_at_Taxes
I hope W's 2nd term brings some real tax reform.

What ya got in mind partner?

59 posted on 07/28/2003 7:11:33 PM PDT by Kudsman (LETS GET IT ON!!! The price of freedom is vigilance. Tyranny is free of charge.)
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To: Kudsman
They completely leave those off who question the tax cuts because they cut off at $110K. Those making about that amount are almost totally cut out of any scholarship availability for their kids, they pay the bulk of the taxes, and they leave them out of it... I'll bet they're even more displeased about not getting a refund.
60 posted on 07/28/2003 7:14:28 PM PDT by Spyder (Just another day in Paradise)
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