[billbears]

No Walt, abe said all in his quote. So surely I need to know who this 'all' is up north. Secondly the Cornerstone speech itself is questionable at best. I've seen enough information that it was probably never said.

Third, you show documentation from Southern constitutions. Do you need to be reminded of the northern constitutions of the same time that didn't even allow blacks into the state?

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Secondly the Cornerstone speech itself is questionable at best. I've seen enough information that it was probably never said.

Oh that's total BS. A few years after the war, Stephens himself published a Clintonian "clarifaction" of what he really meant. He never challenged a word of what was reported in the speech.

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Do you need to be reminded of the northern constitutions of the same time that didn't even allow blacks into the state?

Did Pennsylvania or New York or Maine have that in their constitutions? How many "Northern" states did have those laws and of those that did, how many enforced them?

BTW. If states rights were so damn important for guys like Davis, why did he support the FSA and Dred Scott so strongly? They both trampled the hell out of states rights and individual liberty.

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Secondly the Cornerstone speech itself is questionable at best. I've seen enough information that it was probably never said.

That would come as a hell of a surprise to Alexander Stephens who has admitted making it.