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To: billbears
Do you need to be reminded of the northern constitutions of the same time that didn't even allow blacks into the state?

Did Pennsylvania or New York or Maine have that in their constitutions? How many "Northern" states did have those laws and of those that did, how many enforced them?

BTW. If states rights were so damn important for guys like Davis, why did he support the FSA and Dred Scott so strongly? They both trampled the hell out of states rights and individual liberty.

57 posted on 07/28/2003 10:55:24 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Ditto
The slave master class of the South were a bunch of bullies, lording it over the entire country until voters elected the Grand Old Party to power.
58 posted on 07/28/2003 11:00:28 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Ditto
If states rights were so damn important for guys like Davis, why did he support the FSA and Dred Scott so strongly? They both trampled the hell out of states rights and individual liberty.

Even Lincoln supported the Fugitive Slave Act as being constitutional. How is it not so? States rights refers to rights not delegated to the Federal government. As Lincoln said:

I suppose most of us (I know it of myself) believe that the people of the Southern States are entitled to a Congressional Fugitive Slave law,—that is a right fixed in the Constitution. But it cannot be made available to them without Congressional legislation. In the Judge’s language, it is a “barren right” which needs legislation before it can become efficient and valuable to the persons to whom it is guaranteed. And as the right is constitutional, I agree that the legislation shall be granted to it,—and that not that we like the institution of slavery. We profess to have no taste for running and catching niggers,—at least, I profess no taste for that job at all. Why then do I yield support to a Fugitive Slave law? Because I do not understand that the Constitution, which guarantees that right, can be supported without it.

61 posted on 07/28/2003 12:08:20 PM PDT by rustbucket
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