Police can't confirm if body is Patrick Dennehy

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[ValerieUSA]

I'm sorry for the typo - I know it is spelled "virtue."

Come on, surely you didn't expect any large university campus would be a hotbed of virtue. That was an understatement.

Of course some really good Christian kids attend Baylor, and there are some really good Christian faculty members, too. But they are not the vocal majority.

In the three and half years I have lived here I recall a student suicide that was covered up at first, a professor being busted for child porn, baseball players arrested for torturing and skinning a local cat - for which the university hesitated to administer discipline, and the controversy surrounding an Intelligent Design research program on campus. That program was scuttled under pressure by faculty members who did not want the school to be tainted with the reputation that Darwin's theory would be challenged on campus. How embarassing for them if Baylor allowed scientific discussion that could lead some reject the secularist creed and consider the possiblity that the universe was created by an intelligent, benevolent being with purpose!

[McLynnan]

It sounds like they're having a number of problems because they have left......or are leaving...... their Christian values behind.

Funny you should say that, because that's exactly what they're being accused of. Baylor is a very good school, and turns out well prepared graduates, most of whom have strong Christian values. However, some of the kids are there because their parents are alumni, or because they're on athletic scholarship, and not because they were drawn by the Christian influence. The athletic department has had some unfortunate, well deserved publicity over the last several years, particularly the football program. In a town this size, everybody is connected to Baylor in some way, even if it's only socially. I hate to see people make the mistake of tarring and feathering a whole university because a few people are making the wrong kind of news.

[Rockpile]

I believe that Dennehy's car was a 1996 S 10 Blazer. Guess it had enough head room.

[ValerieUSA]

He had a Chevy Tahoe purchased from a Waco dealer.

[McLynnan]

I have no bone to pick with Baylor in general. My comments are based on the dodging and schmooozing and other smarmy behaviors I have seen from Baylor coaches and administrators ever since Dennehy's disappearance was first reported

Valerie, I understand exactly where you're coming from. Have you ever met Dave Bliss? I've been around him several times and he strikes me as a very stand up kind of man. I wouldn't go so far as to say I know him well, and I'm not so naive that I don't know under the table deals are made in athletics, but he doesn't strike me as the type to be involved in anything "smarmy". It sounds as if the student handlers on the coaching staff could know more than they're telling. Maybe somebody knew about the threats and guns and didn't take it to the top.

[McLynnan]

Texas A&M would like to build W's library near Bush Sr's library, and IMO they have a strong advantage in the bidding war. Land is available adjacent to Bush Sr.'s library site and they're sitting on it until W decides what he wants to do. College Station is slightly over an hour's drive from Waco.

[WhyisaTexasgirlinPA]

I know next to nothing about this whole case, but the vehicle in the picture looked more like a tahoe than a blazer - are you sure about your information?

[ohioWfan]

I didn't know those things about Baylor, Valerie. That's why I asked you.

I don't think size has any bearing on the quality of a school, though. It IS possible to have a larger university that still maintains a Christian standard throughout the school......a statement of faith by the students and the faculty.....standards of behavior for the students, faculty and administration.....a campus bathed in prayer, Bible study and Bible based instruction in every course.

Of course you can never guarantee that all students or even faculty live up to those standards, and you never know what's in anyone's heart, but it doesn't sound like Baylor is is even making an effort to do so.

Now, since this is off-topic, I'll leave the question alone. Thanks for the information.

[ohioWfan]

Perhaps the administration, faculty and students need to spend some time on their knees in prayer to return the school to the values that have drawn many students to it.

I know that Baylor remains strong academically, but it would be a shame for it to lose it's spiritual base, if that indeed is what's happening.......especially if it's sold it's soul to the god of sports.......

Thanks again for the info, McLynnan.

[SendShaqtoIraq]

Right. I don't think it's that they didn't think/know it was him, but they felt his PARENTS had a right to be notified before it's blared across national tv.

[ValerieUSA]

No, I have not met Bliss; I admit my impressions are based solely on local TV and radio news coverage - and some from the Waco Trib. It is why I have yet not named any of the coaches suspected of violations, but just speaking of them in general terms - as the Fort Worth newspaper and Dennehy's family have done so.

However, although it is confusing, I think that a student who allegedly threatened Dennehy and Dotson, and a coach who arranged favors for them are both named Harvey, from the info I gathered in various articles and interviews on the news.

Let me say one thing in Baylor's favor. I am very proud of its two former students who served as missionaries in Afghanistan.... I think their names are Dana and Heather.

[TexKat]

Mike Tobin of Fox News is reporting now that the body has been sent to Southwest Medical Center in Dallas. Tobin said that it could possibly take a week for them to identify the body since it was so badly decomposed. It was nothing but skeleton and some parts of the body missing. The shoe that the little boy found about a month ago was filled with blood.

[ValerieUSA]

Chances are Peerwani will be conducting the autopsy in Dallas - he also was in charge of the bodies from the Branch Davidian inferno.

[McLynnan]

I didn't know that about the Harvey coach/student name coincidence. Interesting, isn't it? One thing I've always wondered -- have you ever been at the mall, or around town and seen some of these student athletes sporting the gold chains and diamond ear studs that blind you? If you read their bios most are on athletic scholarship and supposedly come from humble abodes. Where does the money for the serious jewelry come from? Are we to assume it's on "loan" from local jewelers?

[ValerieUSA]

Yes, I have seen the athletes in their finery at the mall. They appear to be eager to accept material favors. Perhaps they even feel entitled to them, and would be jealous if they think an untried newcomer is getting more favors than the other players.
Dotson's apparent paranoid schitzophrenia may have been manipulated to do the dirty work for the disgruntled team members.

[TexKat]

Correction: It was not a little boy that found the basketball shoe. Fox News interviewed a grown man (a Mr. Brandon) who found the shoe and states there were what appeared to be specks of blood on the shoe. Mr. Brandon said he turned the shoe over to authorities some time ago. Also Mr. Brandon has told Fox News that he heard gun shots around the time that Dennehy came up missing and that he informed authorities, but he does not know why they had not followed up on it. Mike Tobin of Fox News reported that authorities claim that they do not have the shoe in their possession and have no recollection of ever speaken to Mr. Brandon.

[cricket]

"For Pete's sake, how many missing 6'10" men could it be?"

really. . .know they cannot 'confirm'; but surely they could be more affirming in these reports.

. . .in the meantime, if his shoes fit. . .

[ican'tbelieveit]

http://www.kob.com/index.cfm?viewer=storyviewer&id=3096&cat=SEARCH

Baylor launches inquiry about payments to Dennehy

Patrick Dennehy


Last Update: 07/23/2003 6:47:40 PM
By: Associated Press


(Waco - AP) - Baylor University’s athletic department faces questions about whether coaches made improper payments to missing basketball player Patrick Dennehy.

That comes as a former player, Carlton Dotson, remains jailed in Maryland on a murder charge. Dennehy’s body hasn’t been found.

Baylor Athletic Director Tom Stanton today said the school in Waco has begun a vigorous internal inquiry independent of the athletic department to determine the facts.

Among the allegations against Baylor is that Dennehy emerged from basketball offices last November with as much as $1,800.

He reportedly told his girlfriend, Jessica De La Rosa, that the money came from a coach and was to go toward the purchase of a vehicle.

The player’s father, Patrick Dennehy Sr., said in published reports that De La Rosa, who’s a New Mexico track athlete, reported details to New Mexico, and they reported it to the NCAA.

De La Rosa has now been declared ineligible by the NCAA.

De La Rosa told the Albuquerque Tribune she accepted money from a member of the Baylor coaching staff for a cab ride from Waco to Dallas after visiting Dennehy last season.

(Copyright 2003 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

Looks like the moral of the story is: morons should not possess weapons.

[TexKat]

There is something strange going on here.

Rob Wheeler was on The Heartland on Fox a little while ago and stated that Carlton Dotson said he did not confess to the killing of Patrick Donnehy.

Rob Wheeler also pointed out that when CD made his 911 call on his cell phone from the grocery store, when asked by the 911 rep if he was wanted by the police, CD replied no, they want to keep tabs on me.

Question, was CD in hiding when this case first started?

After CD was arrested there is a clip they occasionally show where authorities are walking CD into the jailhouse or somewhere, what really drew my attention was the way he keep looking behind himself and around as if he was looking for someone or watching for someone.

Now we today have either the coach or someone come out and give an interview stating how sorry they were as if the body has already been identified as Patrick Donnehy and it has not been confirmed.

Then we have Mr. Brandon who found the Baylor basketball shoe with what appeared to have specks of blood on it and Mr. Brandon states that he turned the basketball shoe over to authorities and informed authorities that he had heard gunshots around the time of Donnehey's disappearance, but did not know why authorities never followed up on this info. However it was reported on Fox that authorities claim that they do not have the basketball shoe in their custody, nor do they remember ever speaking to Mr. Brandon.

Could CD just be in protective custody? Could there be a bigger picture here? Did Carlton Dotson flee for his life in Patrick Donnehey's vehicle, ditch it and hide out from the real murderer? Are is Carlton just a nutcase?