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To: Campion
'Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.'--Acts 22:16

Someone already went through Acts 8 with you. So I just wanted to come back to this verse. You emphasise the baptism. I would emphasise and wash away your sins, calling on His name. And I would emphasize it that way because there are so many verses that do just that, they emphasize the calling on His name, and leave baptism out all together when talking about salvation.

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. ...36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Acts 11:13 ...and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter; 14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved. 15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. 16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Acts 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. 32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

Romans 11:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

1 Corinthians 1:21 - For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

167 posted on 07/24/2003 8:17:37 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: DannyTN
You emphasise the baptism. I would emphasise and wash away your sins,

"Wash away your sins" placed next to "baptism" pretty clearly emphasizes that baptism is the act accomplishing the washing. It's more striking in the Greek, because the word translated "be baptized" can also be translated as "bathe" or "wash".

Don't set up some artificial opposition between one clause of Scripture and another. God's word is a unified whole, not a collection of bits and pieces.

there are so many verses that do just that, they emphasize the calling on His name, and leave baptism out all together when talking about salvation.

In context, John 3 is not one of those passages, though. It's very much about baptism. Baptism is mentioned before, baptism is mentioned afterwards, and Jesus specifically demands that one be "born again of water and the Holy Spirit". I don't know what he's talking about, if it's not baptism, especially given the baptismal context before and afterwards.

However, a broader question is why you seem to think there's some opposition between faith and baptism. There isn't. One leads to the other.

Can someone who is faithful be saved without being baptized in water? According to the Catholic Church, absolutely. The technical term for this is "baptism of desire," or "baptism of blood" (in the case of someone who is martyred for the faith before being baptized in water).

But that doesn't change the fact that baptism in water is the normative -- ordinary or usual -- way to confer the grace of justification. Why? Because God said so, in John 3, among other places.

Arguing that faith is more important than baptism is a lot like saying that love is more important than marriage. (If the people who call baptism "impotent ritual" were consistent, they would call marriage "impotent ritual" also.) No, love leads to marriage, marriage seals love in a sacred covenant. Faith leads to baptism, baptism seals faith in a sacred covenant.

180 posted on 07/24/2003 8:36:42 PM PDT by Campion
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To: DannyTN
The profession of faith and baptism go hand in hand, but one can be saved without baptism(such as one who dies after a profession of faith but didn't get a chance to be baptized) but baptism itself doesn't save.

Indeed, being baptized while calling on his name sounds just about right. Or in the case of the Ethiopian Eunuch, "I believe that Jesus is the son of God", a profession of faith then baptism.

What sometimes bothers me, in some churches or sects is the length of time it takes between a profession of faith and the actual baptism. They'll put a person thru a bunch of classes(which I think are okay), but I think they really shouldn't delay. Confess Christ and get Baptized...shouldn't be any more complicated then that, no matter what type of "baptism" one feels comfortable with.

So what were we in disagreement about?
231 posted on 07/24/2003 10:48:00 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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