Bush Road Map Plan Calls For Creating Palestinian Arab State By December 2003, Not In 2005

ZOA ^ | July 21, 2003

[DoughtyOne]

Here are the answers to your questions

1.Israel--we do pay them over 3$ Billion a year in TAXPAYER Money, plus load them down with whatever weapons they want.

Let's say this $3 billion per year were just foreign aide, what does Israel do with that money?  It turns around and makes purchases from the U.S. with it.  This supports our defense contractors and other businesses in the U.S.  I belive some if not all of this money is in the form of guaranteed loans, not outright grants.  Israel pays off those loans.

2. No. But our support for Israel will not win us any Arab friends.

As someone else stated, who has been more friendly with Saudi Arabia than us?  When we found out that their nationals took our Trade Center down, we still treated the government with respect, even after we found out that members of the royal family had funded some of the terrorists.  So please, explain to us what cordial relations with the Arab world has gained us except spite and hatred.

3. Egypt did not attack Israel in 1967. Israel attacked Egypt on June 5, 1967 and launched a strike against their airfields.

While some theories state that Israel baited the attack against their nation in 1967, it's poppycock to state that Israel attacked without provocation.  It simply didn't happen that way.

4. Jordan had a mutual defense treaty with Egypt.

What was more important is that they shared a hatred for Israel.  Neither had recognized it and both swore to destroy it.  Syria, Jordan and Egypt attacked Israel, not the other way around.

5. The British had Transjordan--Palestine and Jordan. Neither the British nor the Jordanians acted towards the Palestinian population in the harsh manner that the
Israelis do.

Jordan expelled all Palestinians from it's territory when they tried to take over it's government, so I think it's a little bit of a white obfuscation to state Israel has treated the Palestinians worse than the Jordanians.  Israel occupied the West Bank and Gaza because terrorism was eminating from those territories.  Israel tried to implement autonomy in those territories and was thanked by the Israeli armed West Bank and Gaza police turning their guns on Israel.  Terrorist homicide bombings have been the icing on the cake.

6. The British turned over the territory to the UN because of Jewish Terrorism, from such men as Begin and Yitzhak Shamir.

There were skirmishes that were instigated by both sides.  I'm not going to characterize either based on the media's reports, because I recognize the media to be so lopsided against Israel that's it's foolish to use them as a source to damn Israel.  I do know of one incident where the Palestinians captured an elementary school full of children, then attempted to use them as hostages for blackmail.  I believe many of those children died, but my memory may be faulty on that.  You didn't mention Palestinian complicity in any wrongdoing at any time did you.  Why was that?

[Alouette]

blah blah blah.

You're spewing propaganda without providing a single link to the source of all this excrementitious mendacity.

So, provide some actual links to back up your allegations.

Here's a hint: linking any site that contains screechy diatribes by Michael Hoffman or Israel Shahak or Noam Chomsky will not only show you to be a liar, but get you ZOTTED.

electronicintifada.com, globalpolicy.org and washington-report.org are not well respected around here either.

Now go forth and document your claims, or I will laugh at you again.

[Alouette]

I do not have the source with me, as I am at work.

But you do have net access, or you wouldn't be posting on Free Republic. Or are those other sites blocked by your company's firewall because they are considered "racist hate sites"?

[adam_az]

"What arms to the PA? That is a lie."

US armed the Palestinian "police" during Oslo, and the CIA is again training and arming these thugs even though abu Mazen the terrorist financing holocaust denier Arafat flunkie said he will not disrupt the terrorist gangs as the Road map he allegedly accepts calls for.

"Saudi Arabia is a fuedal kingdom and a major human rights abuser. We should have no more dealings with the Saudis. "

Arabs give high approval ratings to Saudi Arabia in poll after poll. What do you think that means....?

"2. So it is ok to pay for a military occupation that infuriates the Arab world?"

Are you saying the US military should leave Iraq?

Are military occuparions the Arab world approves of OK, like Pakistan in Kashmir and Syria in Lebanon and Morocco in Western Sahara?

WHich countries land is occupied by Israel presently?

"I do not think Iraq was a direct threat at all."

Curious that you think our relations with Israel are a threat, but our relations with Iraq were not. :)

"The Balfour Declaration has nothing to do with the Stern Gang and the terrorism of 1945-1948."

Care to give a few instances of what you refer to as Terrorism?

[DoughtyOne]

What about the political rights of the Palestinians who live in the west bank? What about constant assassinations, bulldozing homes, checkpoints, etc.

Israel helped train and arm the Palestinian police in order to give the West Bank and Gaza more autonomy.  When the peace accord in 2000 was rejected, those police officers turned their guns on Israel.  Suicide bombings commenced even before that.

It's laughable to read comments from a person that doesn't understand why Israel would re-enter the West Bank terrorist camps.  Yes, why would Israelis assassinate terrorist organizers?  Why would Israel level the homes of suicide bomber's families?  Why would Israel level the structures used to manufacture suicide bombs?  And why would Israel set up checkpoints?  I mean shouldn't they just allow the suicide bombers free access?

What's wrong bud, did someone shut down your nice NAZI hollocaust denying site, leaving you with no place to play?

[adam_az]

Your "independent thinking" is identical to Chomsky on this issue!

All your points are his points.

[swany]

"What about the political rights of the Palestinians who live in the west bank? What about constant assassinations, bulldozing homes, checkpoints, etc."

Do the Palestinians have the political right to send wave after wave of terror attacks on the civilian population of Israel? What political rights are you talking about, be more specific.

Would there be assassinations if not for the terror structure and coordinated attacks on civilians?

Would there be bulldozing if the homes were not used for staging attacks?

Would there be checkpoints if not for terrorist infiltrations?

You cannot have peace without security. Israel has shown time after time after time the willingness to pull out and ease up. Arafat and his minions simply cannot be trusted anytime, anywhere. The Arabs won't even take him in.

[Alouette]

the Palestinians captured an elementary school full of children, then attempted to use them as hostages for blackmail. I believe many of those children died

Maalot, 1974. The Palestinians murdered their hostages as the IDF attempted to perform a rescue operation. Similar to the massacre at the '72 Munich Olympics (and we know who was the Team Lead for that project)

[adam_az]

We've got to keep striving for peace. We have no other choice.

You sound just like your ideological forebear, Neville Chamberlain.

To quote Ariel Sharon, "Israel is not Czecheslovakia."

[adam_az]

Also quite ironic that Israeli Arab citizens have more civil rights than the Arab citizens of any Arab country!

[adam_az]

You aren't debating.

You are trolling.

[Alouette]

What has been happening over the past number of years is not acceptable...Especially the Israeli settlements.

Murdering civilians inside Israel is more acceptable to you than some Jews living next door to Palestinians? Do you think the Palestinians are entitled to have a "Jew Free" state like the other 22 Arab nations? Is that not racist?

[adam_az]

Did you read my post from the latest honestreporting email?

The Palestinians aren't living up to their committments - again - while demanding things of Israel that are not on the Roadmap in exchanged for promised lipservice only.

Do you think it's working?

Rather than disrupting the terrorists, they are being PAID not to kill people (for a short time.)

Do you think it's working?

Where is the new Palestinian leadership not tainted by Terror which Bush wanted? It's the same old croneys.

Should we have a Roadmap to Peace with al Qaeda, too? You know, our War on Islamic Terrorists is making us unpopular in the Arab world...