In Search of Noah’s Ark

MSNBC ^ | July 21st, 2003 | Eve Conant

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He found the Titanic. Now Robert Ballard hunts the quarry of a lifetime

July 21 issue — Ten thousand years ago, the Black Sea was a freshwater lake in the middle of a vast, low-lying basin. Its fertile valleys and lush pastures would have given Neolithic hunter-gatherers a perfect opportunity to make the leap to a more settled, agricultural society. But then disaster struck.

ABOUT 7,500 YEARS ago the ice age ended, the world’s climate warmed and the seas rose. The Aegean Sea breached a narrow strip of land, where the Strait of Bosporus is today, like a dam bursting. Seawater poured into the basin with the force of 200 Niagara Falls’, raising the water level six inches each day and sending the human settlers scurrying to the hills. The story of the Great Flood was told and retold, eventually in Genesis: “In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life... the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was on the earth forty days and forty nights.”

Did Noah’s Flood really happen this way and in this place? Some people think it did. In August, underwater explorer Robert Ballard intends to put this theory to the test. To do it, the 60-year-old Connecticut-based geologist—better known for his elaborately publicized ship-hunting escapades, including the discovery of the Titanic in 1985—is going to have to push the state of deep-sea technology. He’s designed a remotely piloted submersible, Hercules, which he claims can excavate for signs of human civilization at depths of 300 meters with a precision approaching what archeologists can muster with human hands.

[al_c]

Good job!

[BibChr]

No no no, don't try to tell me that.

I said, Now, honesty (or knowledge of your Rome's dogma?) test: what does the church of Rome ADD TO that statement as requirements for salvation ("...Jesus Christ, the Son of God, died for my sins so that I may be saved")?

To THAT QUESTION, you responded, That we should live by the laws set up by God himself and given to us through His Word ... the Bible.

Now you say something different. Do not blame ME for being confused.

As to the Christian (i.e. Biblical) position, see post 117.

Dan

[al_c]

It's not different. Let me put it on a bumper sticker for you ...

what does the church of Rome ADD TO that statement as requirements

(If the RCC adds anything as you claim) ... To live according to His Word.

[BibChr]

Okay, al dear al, I swear I'm not meaning to be argumentative, but that statement as I'm trying to plain-English it, means that you believe that salvation is won/earned/received/bestowed (pick your verb) ON THE BASIS OF (or by means of) our faith and our works. That is Rome's position.

The position I laid out, what I understand the Bible to be teaching, is quite different. At least we ought to be clear on that; hard to dialogue otherwise. Like once when I talked with an RC priest; nice guy, liked him a lot, but it was like boxing with a fog-bank.

Dan

[al_c]

Okay, al dear al, I swear I'm not meaning to be argumentative, but that statement as I'm trying to plain-English it, means that you believe that salvation is won/earned/received/bestowed (pick your verb) ON THE BASIS OF (or by means of) our faith and our works. That is Rome's position.

Or are you hearing only what you want to hear because I am a Catholic Christian?

The position I laid out, what I understand the Bible to be teaching, is quite different.

Your own personal interpretation of scripture?

At least we ought to be clear on that; hard to dialogue otherwise. Like once when I talked with an RC priest; nice guy, liked him a lot, but it was like boxing with a fog-bank.

Pot, meet kettle. ;o)

[Oberon]

You want a grave from an individual named in the Old Testament who is not a historical figure? I'm not sure I understand what it is exactly that you're looking for.

Maybe this will help:

"Over her tomb Jacob set up a pillar, and to this day that pillar marks Rachel's tomb." -Genesis 35:20

And here it is:

[kidd]

So you have ZERO experience in the study of the Catholic faith. You have a lot of experience in Protestant studies, but all you have for experience is Protestant propoganda.

And you try to preach to me what Catholics believe in??? I'm having a theological gunfight with an unarmed man.

Sorry bub, but you are no better than the fools who believe that the LA Times presents the news in a fair manner. I suggest that you add the Catholic Catechism to your reading list before you continue as a vocal critic of Catholicism.

If you are the type of person who would urge a liberal to try the Free Republic to discuss politics intelligently, then you should read the Catechism to discuss Catholicism intelligently. Fair enough?

Don't worry, I'm not looking to convert you, and I'll bet that you will agree with 99% of the Catholic Catechism. I've read your replies on the subject of nuclear power and I've read your history. You lack discernment. I suggest that you pray and ask God for the gift of dicernment - and then develop that gift by reading materials that might educate you - even if it results in a change in a hard-set opinion.

Post 117 leads into the usual Protestant/Catholic discussion of works, grace and performing the commandments of Jesus. Thats been done many times before and I will simply agree to disagree with you on that. You've tried to steer this thread into this discussion. My original beef was with your assertion that Catholics don't read the bible. Your response in #117 does nothing to confirm your post in #28, in fact I would judge that it affirms my point that Catholics read the bible.

[BibChr]

That was a stupid posting, al. Now you're just arguing. Agree or disagree, there wasn't a thing "fog"-like in my posting. If the RC position embarrasses you, that's your issue. You want it solved, let's talk. You want to keep it, we're done.

Dan

[BibChr]

Again, sheer empty rhetoric, and false to boot.

Only one specific carge levelled, and it is PALPABLY in error. You were already corrected, too! You misstate my plainly-stated "original beef." Care about truth? Look it up and correct yourself. Don't care? Find another hobby.

Dan

[al_c]

Have a good day, Dan.

[AFreeBird]

B4L8r = BUMP for later

I supose to make more accurate, I should make it: BMP4L8r, but I didn't want to type that many letters.

[BibChr]

I will endeavor to persevere. You do the same!

Dan

[al_c]

Will do.

God bless,
Al

[Oberon]

Biblical reference from first trestement. Ramses is a historical figure.

Oh, I get it... You're wondering where Ramses II is mentioned in the OT. Sorry about that. I was having difficulty translating your post.

Here's one of the many references:

"Moses was eighty years old and Aaron eighty-three when they spoke to Pharaoh." -Exodus 7:7

According to historians, the Pharaoh mentioned here would have been Ramses II, whose tomb I showed you earlier. This Pharaoh is mentioned throughout the first eight chapters of Exodus.

[SunkenCiv]

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[The Cajun]

Since this is from 2003, I’ll take it that things didn’t pan out with the ark and all............Just surmising :)

[SunkenCiv]

They found an old homestead site (foundation at least, other stuff) and eventually (maybe from the same expedition) they found a Byzantine-era wreck with the mast still standing, down in the anoxia depths. The keywords ballard, robertballard, blacksea, noahsflood should turn up later topics. :’)