Bryant denial made accuser 'sick to her stomach,' friend says

CNN ^ | July 21, 2003 | CNN

[Recourse]

EAGLE, Colorado (CNN) --Hearing NBA all-star Kobe Bryant deny the sexual assault charge filed against him made his accuser "sick to her stomach," a friend of the woman said Monday.

Bryant, an all-star guard for the Los Angeles Lakers, has been charged with one count of sexual assault. He has steadfastly maintained his innocence, and after the charge was announced Friday, he admitted having sex with his 19-year-old accuser but said the encounter was consensual.

[Zevonismymuse]

This isn't a shakedown civil suit. Now, maybe she did make this up and didn't realize that there was no chance at money of she filed a criminal complaint

Sure there is. Remember the Michael Jackson settlement? That was settled during the criminal investigation. After the settlement, in which Jackson said was "not an admission of guilt", the kid refused to testify so the case could not proceed. The prosecutor could try the case without the girl, but probably would not.

[Yeti]

That's why examining her background is a legitimate thing to do. This is not the first allegation of sexual assault we've ever seen against a wealthy sports celebrity. Sometimes there turns out to be a less-than-pure motive in making such an allegation.

Well, Nick, if Kobe is found "not guilty" then we can dissect her. But for now SUPPOSE her allegations are true... then she was already raped once, why should the media do it to her again? She didn't have a press conference to announce what happened.

Maybe the media should not be in this at all, but Kobe is a media personna, and loss of privacy is part of the price HE pays for the money he makes.

There is a good chance that her background is irrelevant, anyway. If there are bruises and abrasions consistent with the tears in her clothes, and the DNA matches, and the security cam in the hotel hall and witnesses from work corroborate her -- then it is obvious that he did it, and there is absolutely no reason to subject the girl to more than she has already been through.

People like sinkspur will then be reduced to claiming that she told him she liked it rough and he obliged, just to be a nice guy. Which is just absurd when they only had contact for such a brief time.

The vaginal tears -- internal ones could be from Kobe having giant noble hero penis diameter of a baseball bat as some have claimed, but tears to the skin at the entrace and the labia are from no lubrication, which means she REALLY wasn't "aroused" which means she REALLY didn't want to have sex with him. They can tell the difference.

So then sinkspur will claim that she came up, told Kobe "Quick, I don't find you sexually arousing, but I like rough sex, so throw me down and rough me up and do me anyway. But make it fast, I gotta go!"

And the rest is history...

Unlike other cases, here we know that hard evidence exists, we just dont know what it is yet. When it comes out, if it convicts Kobe, then those who have smeared or badgered this girl's character here on this forum will be rightly shamed.

[cyncooper]

The parallel stands in light of the accusation and the reputation of the individual (Chmura was generally seen as a "great guy.") Surprised I haven't seen this comparison anywhere else.

Chmura has often been mentioned in comparison with this case. And it's true, he had a great reputation. He appeared on the cover of our Catholic newspaper in Milwaukee (where we lived at the time) a year or two before his situation happened. I was stunned when I heard about him, but he was living at the time of his troubles out by my sister who then informed me it was well-known that he liked to go out around the area. I had never heard that in the media and the catting around happened after we moved down to AZ and the subject just hadn't come up between my sister and me.

[Howlin]

Hold the phone: are you suggesting that NO investigation of this girl be done unless Kobe is found not guilty?

Ahem, he has the right to FACE his accuser.......and if there is ANY reason that might have affected her life before she put her foot through that door, he's entitled to know it.

Unless you just believe that the charge/accuastion is good enough and he doesn't have the right to defend himself and he should just go right on and pick out his cell.

Are you a man? Is that the kind of "evidence" you'd like lodged against you from a girl friend or a wife????

[cyncooper]

I heard early on that there were other hotel guests who said things were VERY loud in that room during the time of the alleged attack.

I do believe that story has been totally debunked.

[PatriotBill]

Great point...my wife's daughter has no common sense at 19!

[swheats]

Amazing how the story has changed several times concerning the girl being on/off duty delivering room service. And yet many want to believe she was Mother Teresa giving aid and comfort to a tired traveller.

But Kobe says "you know me I wouldn't do anything like that" responding to sexual assault charges, is considered as changing his story and he's guilty of rape.

[cyncooper]

To clarify: Chmura had a great public reputation for years. The last year or few months before he got caught, he evidently had changed his ways and it was known by the locals....

[sinkspur]

When it comes out, if it convicts Kobe, then those who have smeared or badgered this girl's character here on this forum will be rightly shamed.

I'm just repeating what I read in the press. You got problems with that, take it up with the AP.

But for now SUPPOSE her allegations are true... then she was already raped once, why should the media do it to her again?

Sorry. Life ain't fair. The Constitution guarantees the accused the right to face his accuser, and, in the 21st century, some of that is going to be done in the press.

Free Republic is a discussion forum, not a court of law. We are free to speculate, theorize, ruminate, and discuss. You, of course, are free to disagree, as you are doing now.

But telling people to basically "shut up" because you don't agree with what they're saying is a non-starter around here.

[cyncooper]

Amazing how the story has changed several times concerning the girl being on/off duty delivering room service.

It doesn't appear to me that her story ever changed. The media used their usual sloppy wording and confused the issue. As far as I can see, from the beginning it was said she went to the room after she had clocked out. The first story said "room service" (with the confusion about it technically being closed and Bryant got the exception). Then the "room service" aspect was debunked, but Cosby now reports it was "hotel related" errand. As far as I can see the girl isn't saying anything to the media, so it was the media screwing up the terms and causing confusion.

[cyncooper]

But Kobe says "you know me I wouldn't do anything like that" responding to sexual assault charges, is considered as changing his story and he's guilty of rape.

I don't know anybody saying he's guilty of rape, but the police are saying they have evidence of assault and that is why I wouldn't discard the idea he could have done it. Also, I pointed out my logic in the timeline leading me to believe he wasn't forthcoming as some thought. They said he told the police right away he'd been with the girl. Yes, changing stories do go to credibility. The girl's story has not been made in the public record to enable us to judge it.

[Zevonismymuse]

those who have smeared or badgered this girl's character here on this forum will be rightly shamed.

I won't feel any shame. When a girl goes unescorted into a man's bedroom or motel room there is an implied consent. That is what my mother told me, and that is what I tell my daughter.

If the man misbehaves and treats her roughly or forcibly, the girl's father or the brother pay the man a visit and teach him a lesson about good manners. The girl is then repeatedly scolded and shamed by her family until she seems to learn her lesson on how young ladies should behave.

[Zevonismymuse]

Then when he didn't call the next morning proclaiming his love and announce he was leaving his wife and to be packed the limo was on the way...

Exactly! Especially since she is apparently so sensitive and thinks she is so special. One of her many friends lining up to say what a great gal the accuser is said, "She doesn't need Kobe to be rich and famous. She is extremely talented and can make it on her own."

This reminds me of the story that this girl drove 1,000 miles to be the next "American Idol."

I know that not all cheerleaders are alike, but a predominant trait of cheerleaders seems to be attention seeking behavior.

[Zevonismymuse]

As far as I can see the girl isn't saying anything to the media

No, she is just sending out her minions to do the old hit and run. These "friends" are only answering questions that have answers they like. When the question probes some of the sketchier aspects of this gal's recent behavior, they either say it is not relevent or decline to answer.

[JudyB1938]

I'd been wondering the same thing - if he'd been watching a porno flick before the girl delivered whatever it was he ordered.

[ravinson]

When a girl goes unescorted into a man's bedroom or motel room there is an implied consent. That is what my mother told me, and that is what I tell my daughter. If the man misbehaves and treats her roughly or forcibly, the girl's father or the brother pay the man a visit and teach him a lesson about good manners. The girl is then repeatedly scolded and shamed by her family until she seems to learn her lesson on how young ladies should behave.

You forgot the part about using a shotgun to induce a marriage proposal.

[cyncooper]

The only information I've put stock in comes directly from law enforcement and the DA, or firsthand accounts such as Bryant's press conference that I could see and hear myself. The rest of the media reports should all be judged warily.

[FreedomSurge]

The demonization of Kobe has begun.

[Timesink]

And by the way, she isn't "innocent until proven guilty", Kobe Bryant is. She is the one making the allegations, and the burden of proof is on her. (While we sit here without even knowing who she is.)

Go to Google, click on "groups", and enter Kobe Bryant's name. You'll know who she is.

Thanks to New Media, such accusations can not be made blindly against males any more. As the Founding Fathers intended, the accuser will have to do the accusing in public. The days of the blue dots are over, except for those that willfilly are shielding their eyes.

[swheats]

It is very confusing of knowing who to believe. We must take the media's word on the accuser's words and details.

They said he told the police right away he'd been with the girl

Who are they? Knowing that Kobe was called back and arrested on the 4th, gave DNA, he had to have told the police he was with the accuser. As far as his statement on the 7th he could not have been denying that he committed adultery.

The Sheriff acting as a street patrol officer is over his head in this. Previous reports from Colorado states he strayed from protocolEagle County Sheriff Receiving Mixed Reviews

Then there's the account of the Sheriff's previous knowledge of the accuser through the Dare program and previous overdose causes just a bit of skepticism with me.

Barring temporary insanity, I can't see this guy giving up multimillion dollars just to rape some young girl, order ppv and then have surgery on a knee the next morning.