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United States hemorrhaging core tech jobs: Trend could imperil the American programmer
San Mateo County Times ^ | Sunday, July 20, 2003 | Rachel Konrad

Posted on 07/20/2003 2:08:36 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Sunday, July 20, 2003 - SAN JOSE -- Peter Kerrigan encouraged friends to move to Silicon Valley throughout the 1980s and'90s, wooing them with tales of lucrative jobs in a burgeoning industry.

But he lost his network engineering job at a major telecommunications company in August 2001 and remains unemployed. Now 43, the veteran programmer is urging his 18-year-old nephew to stay in suburban Chicago and is discouraging him from pursuing degrees in computer science or engineering.

"I told him, 'Unless you're planning to do this as a path to technical sales, don't do it,' said Kerrigan, who lives in Oakland.

He won't be able to have a career designing and building stuff because all those jobs have moved to India.

Like many unemployed programmers, Kerrigan blames the sour labor market on offshore outsourcing -- the migration of tech jobs to relatively low-paid contractors or locally hired employees in India, China, Russia and other developing countries.

The hemorrhaging of tens of thousands of technology jobs in recent years to cheaper workers abroad is already a fact of life -- as inevitable, U.S. executives say, as the 1980s migration of Rust Belt manufacturing jobs to Southeast Asia and Latin America.

But a new wave of technology outsourcing -- involving tasks that involve greater skills -- could be cutting to the industry's bone, threatening to prolong the three-year U.S. economic downturn.

Some who oppose the trend, which such industry stalwarts as Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Dell and Microsoft are embracing, believe it could even usher in the end of American domination in technology.

"We're giving countries like China and India the support they need to build up their technology industries, and the result could disadvantage us in the long run," said Phil Friedman, an electrical engineer and chief executive of New York-based Computer Generated Solutions, a 1,200-employee software company that targets the apparel industry.

"We outsourced electronics manufacturing. We're closing steel mills. Every week, 400,000 people file for new unemployment claims," said Friedman, a 54-year-old Ukrainian native who immigrated in 1976. "At the same time, we're shipping tech jobs offshore -- it's a shortsighted approach and cheats the American work force."

Cost-conscious executives have been shifting lower-level tech jobs in data entry and systems support abroad to cheaper labor markets for more than a decade. But now they are exporting highly paid, highly skilled positions in software development -- jobs that have been considered intrinsic to Silicon Valley and tech hubs such as Seattle; Boston; and Austin, Texas.

Critics say it's the equivalent of exporting not just the automobile industry's assembly line jobs -- but the core engineering and car design jobs, too.

Roughly 27,000 technology jobs moved overseas in 2000, according to a November study by Forrester Research. It predicts that number will mushroom to 472,000 by 2015 if companies continue to farm out computer work at today's frenzied pace.

According to Forrester, companies in the United States and Europe will spend 28 percent of their information technology budgets on overseas work in the next two years.

Boeing, Dell and Motorola have opened software development centers in Russia. Intel employs 400 full-time Russian software research engineers and nearly 200 others in marketing and sales, wireless Internet access and modem projects.

Santa Clara-based Intel entered the Russian market with a small contract project three years ago. But within months, the world's largest chip maker hired all the programmers who write compiler software to optimize the microprocessors' performance, and opened the Russia Software Development Center in Nizhny Novgorod.

"We intend to invest in the fastest-growing markets, and those are India, Russia and China -- that's the long-term plan," Intel spokesman Chuck Mulloy said.

Microsoft is adding software development jobs at its India Development Center in Hyderabad, opened in 1999 to create versions of Windows for giant corporate computers.

Bill Gates said late last year that the expansion was part of an estimated $400 million in corporate investments in the subcontinent.

On its corporate Web site, Microsoft lists dozens of Hyderabad openings, many requiring five years of experience, fluency in multiple computer languages, and college degrees in computer science -- far from the hourly telemarketer jobs that financial services and insurance companies exported to the Philippines and elsewhere in the early'90s.

Some say sending those jobs abroad may cause American tech workers' wages to stagnate.

According to the nonpartisan Economic Policy Institute, non-inflation-adjusted wages for tech workers grew 1.7 percent between the fourth quarter of 2001 and the fourth quarter of 2002 -- not enough to keep up with the period's inflation rate of 2.2 percent.

The average computer programmer in India costs $20 per hour in wages and benefits, compared to $65 per hour for an American with a comparable degree and experience, according to consulting firm Cap Gemini Ernst & Young.

But executives say outsourcing offers advantages beyond wage differences.

Jean-Marc Hauducoeur, a senior vice president at Cincinnati-based human resources consulting firm Convergys, said his 47,000-employee company will employ 6,000 customer service representatives and network engineers in India by year's end.

Convergys' average technical employee in India stays on the job for nearly three years -- more than double the U.S. average, saving tens of thousands of dollars in recruitment and training per employee per year, he said.

People in India are very ambitious and very well-educated, but they're also ready to invest in a company, and they have less of a tendency to move out of the company, Hauducoeur said.

Many U.S. corporate executives say they simply can't afford to overlook foreign computer workers -- especially in India, which produces roughly 350,000 college engineering graduates annually.

Bob Pryor, who heads the outsourcing practice of Cap Gemini Ernst & Young, said it's naive to think outsourcing software jobs could ruin America's tech dominance.

"The reality is that we live in a global economy and we compete against global players. We need to look at where we have strategic advantage -- whether it's resources or skills," Pryor said. "It frees up people and dollars to do much more value-added strategic things for clients."

Marcus Courtney, a former contract worker for Microsoft and Adobe Systems and president of the Washington Alliance of Technology Workers, said many tech workers understand and even endorse free trade and globalization.

"They even enjoy living on the cutting edge -- taking courses in advanced computer languages, getting experience in a variety of business disciplines, and endorsing a philosophy of continuous improvement," he said.

But many find it tough to reconcile their macro-economic outlook with their own unemployment.

"We need to move beyond the idea that individuals can simply cope and retrain," said Courtney, whose 275-member union is asking Congress to study and possibly regulate offshore outsourcing. "Workers need a voice over their economic future and a voice against the executives making these unilateral economic decisions."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Russia; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; employment; hightechnology; idia; jobs; pakistan; russia; siliconvalley
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To: nickcarraway
The global race to the bottom continues.
21 posted on 07/20/2003 2:49:59 PM PDT by PresbyRev
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To: only1percent
There's more to the tech sector joblessness rate than offshoring. You still need people located in the office to plug in the cables and hit the switches, and there are such jobs out there being occupied by H1B visa holders.
22 posted on 07/20/2003 2:50:47 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: oceanview
Yeah, we will dominate the industry, we just won't have any Americans employed doing it.

If we dominate, we will be employed. I have heard the same "doom and gloom" for 4 decades and for some reason it just never happens. If Americans are not employed, how could we dominate? I seem to recall the adege "The American Way" That IS what keeps us going and not succumbing to the doom and gloom. This country really hasn't suffered since the "great deppression" and then the whole world suffered along with us.

23 posted on 07/20/2003 2:56:04 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: VadeRetro
Those jobs are going to illegals with Mexican National ID Cards now accepted by some DMV's,Banks ect. EMPLOYMENT STATUS
466 (0.04%) of the apprehended aliens were employed in heavy industry. Heavy industry is the production of raw or bulk manufacturing materials and durable goods. Examples: mining, oil and gas extraction, textile mills, vehicle and heavy equipment assembly, fabrication of metal, glass, lumber, building materials or plastics
. 3,325 (0.31%) of the apprehended aliens were employed in light industry. Light industry is the production of consumer goods. Examples: electronic and electrical components, clothing, replacement parts, food products and sport equipment.
2,802 (0.26%) of the apprehended aliens were employed in Agriculture. Agriculture is production of raw food and plant products. Examples: harvesting fruit, vegetables, flowers or grains, fishing, forestry, bee keeping, husbandry of dairy or beef cattle, sheep, pigs, or fowl.
3,926 (0.37%) of the apprehended aliens were employed in Construction. Construction is the trades and professions involved in building, renovating or destroying commercial, residential or other structures.
12,069 (1.14%) of the apprehended aliens were employed in the service trades. Service trades are those trades or businesses that are not involved with manufacturing. Examples: wholesale and retail sales, banking, restaurants, entertainment, transportation, communication, public utilities, health care, travel and lodging, education, personal services, administration of government and courts.
341 (0.03%) of the apprehended aliens were receiving public assistance, food stamps, unemployment compensation, housing subsidies, student loans or other entitlement benefits.
865,775 (81.5%) of the apprehended aliens stated they were seeking employment.
24 posted on 07/20/2003 2:56:48 PM PDT by oceanperch (The US Government bringing the third world to a neighborhood near you.)
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To: JoeSchem
Do people deserve $65 an hour for four years of college?

That $65 is wages *and* benefits. The salary is probably $20, and then there is FICA (employer portion), unemployment and worker's comp ins. to the state, vacations, health ins, and some form of retirement benefit as well.
We could save more of these lower value jobs if employers didn't have to pay so much for regulations (and reporting compliance as well). But we'd rather have the regs, it seems.

25 posted on 07/20/2003 2:57:27 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: nickcarraway
The main point of this article is absolutely true. I work for one of the major Japanese car manufacturers that has it's national HQ in Southern California. A few years ago, they disbanded their entire IT department and outsourced all the IT work to IBM Global Services, which has offices and partners in Canada, India and Mexico. To lower costs, both the auto maker and IBM are increasingly examining projects to see if they can be done off shore (India) or "near shore" (Mexico and Canada). Whatever can be outsourced to India is going there in a heartbeat.
26 posted on 07/20/2003 2:58:44 PM PDT by Wolfstar (If we don't re-elect GWB — a truly great President — we're NUTS!)
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To: EGPWS
Nuts!!!
27 posted on 07/20/2003 3:01:57 PM PDT by Wolfstar (If we don't re-elect GWB — a truly great President — we're NUTS!)
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To: Wolfstar
Nuts!!!

Are you a high ranking vet of WWII? Boy, that statement sure rings a bell!

28 posted on 07/20/2003 3:07:28 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: PresbyRev
The global race to the bottom continues.

Please substantiate your statement Rev.

29 posted on 07/20/2003 3:10:30 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: EGPWS
Exactly. All these negative Nellies are missing the major point -- America didn't become the world technology leader by being a source of cheap labor like India and China are doing. We did it by being creative, inventive, alert, and tireless. And the engine of all this is small business. That's why any regulation which hampers rather than encourages small buisness is such a horrendous error.

And to all you software engineers/programers out there who are out of work: find a vacant niche in the market and fill it yourself.
30 posted on 07/20/2003 3:15:30 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: EGPWS
Hi, Are you really Alan Greenspan or a member of the federal reserve? If not you should apply; they hand out the same BS. As a textile employer down sizing for the past three years I always knew no one would care about manufacturing until they started losing high tech......Well, two nights ago I had the pleasure of talking to a Dell rep concerning my wife's computer. Guess what? She was in India walking me through a reformat on the Dell.

We just heard a member of the federal board of govenors give us the same speal........

31 posted on 07/20/2003 3:17:57 PM PDT by captnorb
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To: Antoninus
Thank you Atoninus! I delegated well without even trying! :)

It couldn't have been said better! YOU are a true American!!

32 posted on 07/20/2003 3:20:09 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: captnorb
they hand out the same BS.

I trust by "BS" you refer to "best scenario"?

33 posted on 07/20/2003 3:24:08 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: scottlang
A moderate Democrate who addresses the issue of outsoursing, h1b, and l1 visas could walk away with the 2004 election.

IMHO, it's the Dim's election to lose.

34 posted on 07/20/2003 3:25:54 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: nickcarraway
"Kerrigan blames the sour labor market on offshore outsourcing"

Sorry Kerrigan, the Bubble has ended that's all. It's happened before, and it'll happen again.
35 posted on 07/20/2003 3:27:31 PM PDT by TheDon (Why do liberals always side with the enemies of the US?)
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To: EGPWS
We ARE technology to the rest of the world.

Got a mouse in your pocket? You really don't get it.

36 posted on 07/20/2003 3:28:23 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: PresbyRev
You got that right!
37 posted on 07/20/2003 3:32:52 PM PDT by oceanperch (The US Government bringing the third world to a neighborhood near you.)
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To: Nick Danger
That guy is a flip jerk, and he is going get Hillary elected thinking like that.

I was totally with you right up to the Hillary remark. Hillary is odious but irrelevant to this topic.

38 posted on 07/20/2003 3:34:02 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: iconoclast
Got a mouse in your pocket? You really don't get it.

Your concern with the economy as it relates to you is understandable.

39 posted on 07/20/2003 3:36:50 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: only1percent
It doesn't. It is absolutely idiotic.
40 posted on 07/20/2003 3:45:51 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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