Restoring the 2nd Amendment in D.C.

Human Events ^ | Jul 18, 2003 | Chris Field

[Shooter 2.5]

According to the votes for the Second Amendment, the Republicans support it at least by 80 per cent.

The High Road website has a thread about a anti-gun Libertarian.

[Dead Corpse]

So you were able to find one anti-gun "libertarian"? I wonder if they realize that being anti-gun violates every precept of property Rights, self-ownership, taking responsibility for ones safety and actions, ect...

A pacifist can be a libertarian, in theory. Logically, they cannot. Got a link to that thread? I searched on "libertarian" and got a few thousand hits. Scanned the first couple, but those all had libertarians pointing out pro-2A positions.

80 percent means that 1 in 5 Republicans are anti-2A. You were able to find one annomoly in the libertarian fold. Every other libertarian I have ever met would be termed a "gun nut" by even the conservatives here on FR.

[Shooter 2.5]

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=5a93a9d4e7766682cf619424d2b28fe8&threadid=31571

There you go. I have no idea how many Libertarians personally are against guns. I suppose it's rare enough to warrant the thread.

My son did go to a Libertarian meeting at one time. He described it as the druggies in one corner and the gunnies in the other, his words.

When I wrote the 80% number, I categorize anyone who believes in some restrictions as "anti-gun".

[Dead Corpse]

Uhhh... the link is an even further cross-posting from a website called "morons.org". In the lead article, the guy never claims to be a "libertarian". In fact, a bunch of the people who responded to him cut his anti-gun argument to shreds.

Even the "druggie" libertarians I know are pro-2A. MOST of the Libertarians I know who are active within the party are more interested in repealing tax law and anything that smells un-Constitutional. Not JUST un-Constitutional gun control meassures.

Not necessarily an unworthy goal.

[aristeides]

Who says the population of D.C. near the Capitol is not armed? I understand virtually the entire population of Southeast D.C. is armed. The weapons may be illegal, but they have them.

[aristeides]

Anything sponsored by Orrin Hatch is doomed, by the way.

Isn't the D.C. ordinance also being challenged in court? If the Second Amendment confers any personal right to bear arms at all, it's hard to see how a ban as sweeping as the D.C. one could be constitutional. D.C. is federal territory, after all, so the issue of whether the Second Amendment binds the states does not arise.

[sandydipper]

Is there a correlation between black populations and murder rates?

[tpaine]

Uhhh... the link is an even further cross-posting from a website called "morons.org". In the lead article, the guy never claims to be a "libertarian". In fact, a bunch of the people who responded to him cut his anti-gun argument to shreds.

Even the "druggie" libertarians I know are pro-2A. MOST of the Libertarians I know who are active within the party are more interested in repealing tax law and anything that smells un-Constitutional. Not JUST un-Constitutional gun control meassures.
Not necessarily an unworthy goal.
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FR's 'Republican' zealots are getting ever more bizarre. Scratch one and frequenty you find big government loving, gun law appeasing anti-libertarians all dressed up in 'conservative' cloaks.

They bleat about how just a few more election cycles of RINO control will bring us constitutional restoration, when the exact opposite is happening every day in political reality.

Mindnumbing blindness.

[Ken H]

If this is not sufficient for the gun grabbers:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Then this should reinforce it:

Amendment XIV. Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The RKBA is an enumerated Right that no government at any level may infringe.

[Dead Corpse]

Unfair tpaine. Normally, Shooter is one of the good guys in regards to the Second Amendment at least. Never really had a discussion with him beyond that topic that I remember. Then again, I haven't SEEN him on any other threads. ;-)