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To: Jim Cane
I was talking about free trade, The free trade in the definition. I don't condone protectionism.

I'm glad you see the WOD as anti liberty. Still, the Constitution usurps your emanating, penumbral right to purchase imported goods sans tariff. Sorry.

You have a warped view of rights and where they originate from. See the Declaration of Independance for a brief explanation. (hint; they don't come from the constitution) And I never ever said that tariffs were unconstitutional, even though you continue to imply that I did. The constitution BTW, can't remove my rights anymore than it could remove the rights of negros and other slaves. Governments my usurp rights, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist, only that they are being violated.

But that's what I'm advocating as a means of maintaining, higher standards of living.

And I'm advocating freedom. We disagree. You have no legitimate power to have armed men violate my rights so you may prosper.

Which, if it includes imported goods, is not a right you have under our Constitutional Republic. And in light of the IRS, BATF and DEA, it's not a right you have at all.

As already explained, I don't derive my rights from the constitution. And I might add, I love it when so called conservatives maintain that government police agencies can legitimately give and take my rights. It's freakin sad that you folks think so. Just like liberals and other authoritarian thugs.

You don't have that emanating penumbral Constitutional right to buy Jap bikes sold on the cheap.

I have a God given right to buy anything I like from anyone I like at whatever price we agree upon. The fact that governments use weapons and have the might to usurp that right is irrelevant. They do it to pander to people who want to profit from such force so they can retain power. The power you say you can morally grant them in elections as you pointed out. It's all about power and violating my rights so you can overcharge people for goods and services.

Tariffs are fine by me as taxes, low and flat and uniform. Not as a means for government to pick winners and losers in order to give favors to people. Your idea on that is precisely the same as welfare recipients giving power to politicions in return for stealing from some and giving to them.

102 posted on 07/16/2003 5:17:12 PM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Protagoras
You have a warped view of rights and where they originate from. See the Declaration of Independance for a brief explanation. (hint; they don't come from the constitution) And I never ever said that tariffs were unconstitutional, even though you continue to imply that I did. The constitution BTW, can't remove my rights anymore than it could remove the rights of negros and other slaves. Governments my usurp rights, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist, only that they are being violated.

I have a God given right to buy anything I like from anyone I like at whatever price we agree upon. The fact that governments use weapons and have the might to usurp that right is irrelevant. They do it to pander to people who want to profit from such force so they can retain power. The power you say you can morally grant them in elections as you pointed out. It's all about power and violating my rights so you can overcharge people for goods and services.

The Constitution takes away your right to buy and sell those negro slaves on the cheap, or even at all, doesn't it? Have you sold any nukes to the Iraqis lately?

And I'm advocating freedom. We disagree. You have no legitimate power to have armed men violate my rights so you may prosper.

Mr. Lincoln and Gen. Grant disagree.

As already explained, I don't derive my rights from the constitution. And I might add, I love it when so called conservatives maintain that government police agencies can legitimately give and take my rights. It's freakin sad that you folks think so. Just like liberals and other authoritarian thugs.

How's that Montana milita cabin of yours? Still snacking on those Y2K provisions?

Tariffs are fine by me as taxes, low and flat and uniform. Not as a means for government to pick winners and losers in order to give favors to people. Your idea on that is precisely the same as welfare recipients giving power to politicions in return for stealing from some and giving to them.

Alexander Hamilton's protectionist, govt-picked tariffs built this nation.

The Chicoms are doing the same thing now, and they are kicking our butts.

Please stop paying your taxes, throw away your driver's license and plates, and put your money where your mouth is. You can do whatever you want because governments are illegal and an invisible guy in the sky tells you so.

136 posted on 07/17/2003 6:57:55 AM PDT by Jim Cane
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