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US Park Service Runs Drivers' Licenses to Determine Who Has Carry Permits, Fines Gun Owners
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| 7/15/03
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Posted on 07/15/2003 6:03:28 PM PDT by pabianice
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:57:17 -0400
From: va_coord@2asisters.org
Reply-To: sasmaster@topica.com
Subject: M- National Park Service
To: sasmaster@topica.com; Distribution
This is from an email I got. Thought ya'll might be interested.
I have a call into my congressional representative - Eric Cantor - to see if he can help us getting the National Park Service to change their regulations to allow permit holders to carry handguns in national parks. I suggest that if you contact your representative, perhaps we could get something moving. This is NOT legislation that would have to pass the House, Senate, and then be signed by Bush. It is a regulation that the Park Service could change themselves. It is sooo easy to be on park land and not even know it. The George Washington parkway in Fairfax is an example. I have driven that major road many times and did not have any idea that I was on Federal Park land! I'll be a few of you didn't know that either.
Currently there is a fine and they can confiscate your gun as I understand it. So it is not a felony or a misdemeanor, but you can get a ticket. The only person I have met who has gotten such a ticket was a permit holder who paid a $75 fine by mail. He did not have his gun confiscated. However, there is a interesting twist - when the Park Ranger came back from running his driver's license he said "I see you have a Virginia concealed carry permit - do you have a gun with you?" The permit holder answered honestly and the rest is history. I have a call into the State Police about this. I am not so sure that the Feds have authority to get that information from the state.
I will let you know what I learn about that.
Here is a site that discusses the issue of the park ban in great detail - including the regulation and more information on what you can do to help get it overturned:
http://www.ourcivilrights.org/
We have one more option - we can take the Parks to court.
va_coord@2asisters.org
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This under Bush's Park Service.
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posted on
07/15/2003 6:03:29 PM PDT
by
pabianice
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posted on
07/15/2003 6:05:11 PM PDT
by
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To: pabianice
This is NOT legislation that would have to pass the House, Senate, and then be signed by Bush. This legislation already passed 2/3 of the original states. It's called the 2nd Amendment.
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posted on
07/15/2003 6:08:12 PM PDT
by
jammer
(Nasa knows why Columbia crashed. Now all they need to figure out is why they still exist)
To: pabianice; *bang_list
bang
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posted on
07/15/2003 6:08:40 PM PDT
by
harpseal
(Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
To: pabianice
If you answer yes in Va, they run the gun to see if it is stolen. If you say no, they will ask to search the car to look for it.
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posted on
07/15/2003 6:10:15 PM PDT
by
AppyPappy
(If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
To: pabianice
I've always found it to be clear that national parks do not allow firearms. Tough luck.
To: pabianice
Does the law/regulation have an allowance to carry a gun in a locked container or the trunk?
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posted on
07/15/2003 6:15:39 PM PDT
by
umgud
(gov't has more money than it needs, but never as much as it wants)
To: novacation
I've always found it to be clear that national parks do not allow firearms. Maybe so, but the GW Parkway is one of the major commuter routes in the DC area. Most people don't realize that it's part of the National Park System until they get a speeding ticket and realize that they have to go to federal court.
To: the bottle let me down
You're are right about it being out of line for some yahoo ranger to push it it that instance.
To: novacation
This is serious and should be addressed by the NRA.
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posted on
07/15/2003 6:29:36 PM PDT
by
paguch
To: AppyPappy
If you say no, they will ask to search the car to look for it. Simple. Just have all the CWP's run through the parks without weapons. Tie them up in legal wranglings till they tire of the whole thing.
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posted on
07/15/2003 6:35:44 PM PDT
by
cinFLA
To: novacation
>> I've always found it to be clear that national parks do not allow firearms. Tough luck.
Can't think of a reason that would be clear at all. There might be some bona-fide reasons for the fedgov to prohibit posession of guns in some places, but it's hard to imagine such conditions existing in your average national park. If there's a government regulation that serves no legitimate purpose, it needs fixed. A lot of states and cities do that too - I think it's a control issue.
But it is we who are supposed to be in control of the governments of this land, and what's clear is that we are not. We, collectively, have let that slip away over the past hundred years or so, bit by bit. That's another thing that needs fixed.
To: pabianice
ONE MORE REASON TO STICK WITH THE 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHT TO CARRY AND NOTHING ELSE!
WHAT DON'T THEY UNDERSTAND ABOUT SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
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posted on
07/15/2003 6:45:54 PM PDT
by
ChefKeith
(NASCAR...everything else is just a game!)
To: umgud
Yes and no.
The Gunowners Protection Act which was passes as law sometime during the mid 1980's says that anywhere a gun is legal at the starting point and the destination can be transported as long as it's in a locked container in the trunk/not accessable to the driver and unloaded.
The problem arises when an officer decides that he has never heard of such a law and it's up to a judge to explain it to the both of you.
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posted on
07/15/2003 6:46:22 PM PDT
by
Shooter 2.5
(Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
To: Shooter 2.5
Thanks....... I think? Damn laws are too murky.
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posted on
07/15/2003 7:03:08 PM PDT
by
umgud
(gov't has more money than it needs, but never as much as it wants)
To: the bottle let me down
The bit of the parkway on Columbia Island is actually in DC - so, for that stretch of the parkway, one might be commiting a felony...
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posted on
07/15/2003 7:08:29 PM PDT
by
patton
(I wish we could all look at the evil of abortion with the pure, honest heart of a child.)
To: Shooter 2.5
McLure-Volkmer Firearms Owners Protection Act of 1986.
Commonly called FOPA-86
Lack of legal carry in the parks only makes them more attractive to criminals, remember the rapist/murderer at Yosemite?
He did not need to worry while killing three women.
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posted on
07/15/2003 7:23:43 PM PDT
by
Richard-SIA
(Nuke the U.N!)
To: Dave in Eugene of all places
agree
To: pabianice
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posted on
07/15/2003 10:57:46 PM PDT
by
TXnMA
(No Longer!!! -- and glad to be back home in God's Gountry!!)
To: pabianice
Ennnnhh, wow did that guy give the wrong answer!
No officer, I knew I would be traveling across national park land so I left it at home. I am not carrying. That is the correct answer.
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posted on
07/15/2003 11:32:27 PM PDT
by
BJungNan
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