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It pays to avoid a ticket -- or fight one
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| July 15, 2003
| Chris Solomon
Posted on 07/15/2003 11:22:14 AM PDT by mvpel
The best advice is simply not to speed, at least not brazenly. But if you get nailed, fight it -- because a $50 ticket can cost you thousands once your insurer gets wind of it.
By Chris Solomon
Now is a very bad time to have a lead foot.
States facing yawning budget gaps are finding new money by pinching speeders more frequently -- and pinching them harder, too. Texas lawmakers recently added $30 to fines for speeding tickets. California has added a surcharge of between $7 and $20, depending on the severity of the violation. And the Illinois Legislature is set to tag an additional $4 to the cost of a minor speeding ticket.
True, four more bucks wont change your life, but the fine is usually the least of your worries. Even one speeding ticket can begin to turn your name to mud in your insurers eyes. More than one can cost you thousands of dollars in higher premiums.
Insurance companies say punishing speeders is well warranted: In one study, California drivers with one speeding citation in a three-year period had a crash rate 50% higher, on average, than those with no infractions -- and the crash rate more than doubled for those who had two or more tickets, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety and the Highway Loss Data Institute, industry-sponsored research groups.
A ticket from Johnny Law does seem to slow people down, at least for a bit. A study of Ontario traffic statistics, published in the British medical journal the Lancet, found that a conviction for a moving violation cut the risk of a fatal crash in the following month by 35%. The benefit evaporated by four months after the conviction. Assigning penalty points to a drivers license -- especially for speeding tickets -- reduced the risk of fatal crashes more than convictions without penalty points.
Keeping your nose clean
Still, as long as running late is an American pastime, people will speed. And there are ways to protect yourself and your premiums. First, reduce your likelihood of getting snagged by the speed gun in these ways:
- Know thyself. Spend $5 to request your driving record from your states Department of Motor Vehicles. Is it accurate? Could you face a suspension hearing if you get convicted for one more violation? Then call your insurer. Find out what a slip-up would mean to your rates.
- Penny-wise = pound foolish. Police will frequently key on an auto that has problems such as broken headlights, taped-over taillights or a missing front license plate. Spend $3 to replace a burned-out license plate bulb and you may save hundreds of dollars later, says Matisyahu Wolfberg, a policeman-turned-traffic defense attorney in New York.
- Stay incognito, Part I. Driving an arrest-me red sports car doesnt guarantee youll get pulled over, but it doesnt help avoid police, say defense attorneys. Ditto -- albeit to a lesser degree -- any expensive car. Consider a Camry over a Corvette and you may save money in more than the showroom.
- Stay incognito, Part II. Ignore the general pace of traffic at your own peril. Youre a pack animal; dont stick out of the pack, says Casey Raskob, a Croton-on-Hudson, N.Y., attorney who focuses on traffic-related cases. Passing police cars is verboten. Stay in the right lane when possible.
- Keep your eyes peeled. Scan your rear-view mirror often while driving. Look for possible spots far ahead where a patrol car could hide. Also, watch how professional truckers drive, and slow down when they do; theyve got far more experience detecting Smokey.
- Dont be sticker shocked. Pasting a Police Benevolent Association sticker to the rear window isnt a license to speed. That jig is long up, says Raskob. Wisecracking bumper stickers -- Bad Cop; No Donut -- wont endear you to The Man, either.
The traffic stop and its aftermath
You get pulled over anyway. Now what do you do?
- Be polite. Most of the time, the motorist has very little chance. The officer has already has made up his mind, says Wolfberg, the former cop. The only real chance the driver has is to be nice. Act peeved and a trooper may give you the full fine. Some will also flag the citation with a notation, like ND -- a note to a prosecutor or to himself (in some states, law-enforcement officers act as prosecutors in traffic court) to give a loudmouth no deal in court.
- Dont admit guilt. The absolutely fatal question is, Do you know why I stopped you? says attorney Mark Sutherland, co-author of the book Traffic Ticket Defense. Authorities can use any admission of guilt against you when you contest the ticket (see below). For other things to consider during a traffic stop, see hints on the Web site of the National Motorists Association, a drivers rights group (see the link at left under Related Sites).
- Once home, dont immediately pay the ticket. Simply paying the fine, an admission of guilt, could cost you dearly in insurance rates. Doubt it? Lets say youre an experienced driver in California with a single-car policy and a good driving record, who is paying the average rates statewide for liability, collision and comprehensive coverage, $765 annually. If you were a Prudential Financial customer youd get a 25% good-driver discount and pay only $574. One speeding ticket would mean a roughly 27% increase from the base premium, says Prudentials Laurita Warner -- a $207 annual increase, or $621 more over three years. (Surcharges usually last for three years.)
Get a second minor conviction and your premium would rise an additional 40%, and youd also lose your good-driver discount, says Warner. Suddenly, a premium that was $574 has ballooned to $1,071. After the third conviction, expect to pay roughly 63% more than you originally did, or $1,247. Over three years you would end up paying $2,020 more than if youd kept your nose clean, or much more than the fines themselves. Clearly, getting pinched leaves a painful scar.
The pain can be even worse if youre a teenager or young adult. Getting even one speeding ticket, much less two, can cause a dramatic spike in your insurance rates -- sometimes doubling and even tripling those rates -- and jeopardize your ability to get preferred insurance rates, says Karl Newman, president of the Washington Insurance Council, a consumer education group funded by member insurance companies in Washington State. That could require you to purchase high-risk insurance.
Luckily, youve got several initial options once busted:
- Ignoring the ticket isnt one of them. It used to be if you obtained a ticket in New York, it didnt get back to New Jersey, but thats no longer true, says Raskob. Avoid a ticket and a warrant may be issued for your arrest -- a warrant that appears even on the computer system of your hometown cops.
- Special state programs. Talk to your states DMV or local traffic court to find out about ways to erase your ticket. In Rhode Island, for example, if you havent had any vehicle-related violations in three years and then receive a minor one (for example, for exceeding the speed limit by less than 20 miles an hour), you can ask that the ticket be dismissed. It usually is. In some southern states, authorities will agree to defer judgment, if you dont get any more tickets for the next six months.
- Traffic school. Often your best alternative is to take a six- to eight-hour safety course for drivers. Policies vary by state, but often a minor speeding conviction can be wiped from your record and therefore go unseen by your employer or insurance company. Youll still have to pay the fine, plus an additional $50 to $80 in tuition and other costs, and invest a Saturday. Some states such as California let drivers take the course online. Traffic school has its limits, however. In some states, its an option only once every 18 or 24 months. In others, those caught exceeding the speed limit by more than 15 to 20 mph may not be eligible, says David Brown, author of the book Beat Your Ticket.
Should you go to court?
If the above options arent available, go to court. Court doesnt have to be a Perry Mason experience. Simply asking for your day in traffic court can save you money. Count the ways:
- Showing up is half the battle. Only about 3% of all tickets are contested, estimates Brown, which means even a few people showing up to challenge a ticket can jam the system. A lot of times the courts will change the ticket for you, to encourage you not to go to court -- sometimes reducing a moving violation to a lesser charge that your insurance company wont penalize you for, says Eric Skrum, spokesman for the National Motorists Association.
- Cop no-shows. If you show up on your assigned date, defense attorneys say that in 20% to 25% of cases the ticket-writing officer won't. If the officer is required to show up (jurisdictions have different rules), no appearance usually means the ticket is thrown out. No-shows by police happen even more in summer, when even they take vacations.
- Errors matter (sometimes). While courts will often excuse minor errors on a ticket -- a misspelled name, a quibble over whether your Jag is ochre or orange -- if the officer cites the wrong statute on the ticket, or grossly misidentifies the highway or your make of car, you may to get your ticket dismissed, says Skrum. Its often best to keep mum about the gaffe until you go to court, however, and reveal the mistake after the officer has recounted the wrong information.
- An 'A' for effort. If you do get all the way to a magistrate or traffic commissioner, any reasonable objection you have to the ticket is likely to at least reduce the amount of the fine, and perhaps change it to an infraction that wont hurt your rates. Youve got to fight every ticket, because the only thing anyone will ever know is what you reduced it to. The accusation will be lost in the courthouse, says Raskob.
The above, soft approach often works, but some people prefer to aggressively contest the ticket, which they usually do with at least some success. When [Freeper] Michael Pelletier, a 32-year-old computer systems engineer in the Bay Area, got a ticket a few years ago, he rented the nine-pound (!) legal defense kit from the National Motorists Association. (The rental cost of the packet, which is tailored to the requesters state, is $50 per month, with a discount for NMA members.)
The only thing I did was crank the legal crank, says Pelletier. That meant asking for continuances and requesting records -- proof of when the officers radar gun was last calibrated and when the officer was trained in its use -- in hopes of finding a flaw in the authorities case, or simply wearing them down until they offered a deal.
A pre-emptive strike
Battling in court can be time-consuming and complicated. Pelletier estimates he invested nearly 50 hours in the year 2000 to fight his ticket, which he received driving his motorcycle 47 miles an hour in a 25 mph zone. He got it dismissed seven months later based on an esoteric legal definition of a local street or road.
In Pelletiers eyes, the struggles are worthwhile despite the time commitment. He has also helped his wife and brother keep three citations from their records, and his insurance company recently upgraded him to a superior driver, which means he will pay $70 less in the next six months than he had been paying. And by keeping his driving record clean hes ensured that his next ticket -- if it sticks -- wont hurt him so much as it might have.
If you dont have the time to do all of this research, consider hiring an attorney who frequently deals with speeding tickets. Such an attorney will know how to get the best deal for you and can often appear in court for you, so you dont have to take a day off to do so. Fees can vary from $75 to $750, in part depending on whether theyre already frequently in the courthouse dealing with such matters.
The free piece of advice they give, however, is the same: Confront your speeding ticket, even if its your first, and do your darnedest to make it disappear. After all, they add, you never know when youll get your next one, with higher premiums close behind.
TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: insurance; police; speeding; tickets
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To: Trust but Verify; Catspaw
Considering the ossifer (sp-intentional) said that, I'll bet that he has court duty that day.
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posted on
07/15/2003 12:07:33 PM PDT
by
steveegg
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To: mvpel
I understand, it was mostly for the benefit of fellow Wisconsin Freepers, who know it is probably a huge factor in why he was pulled over.
To: Trust but Verify
What state?
BTW only change a plea to "no contest" NEVEr "guilty"
To: mvpel
Ref. Bump
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posted on
07/15/2003 12:09:34 PM PDT
by
StriperSniper
(Frogs are for gigging)
To: steveegg
I don't care about the money. It's the points and the moving violation. If they offer him defective speedometer, he'll take it.
BTW, the fine is only $75. What's up with that? Most fines for speeding I know of are $160+.
To: longtermmemmory
Wisconsin.
To: mvpel
Youre a pack animal; dont stick out of the pack, says Casey Raskob, a Croton-on-Hudson, N.Y., attorney who focuses on traffic-related cases. Hmmm .. so the police are the lions culling out members of the 'herd' ?
Disgusting.
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posted on
07/15/2003 12:10:34 PM PDT
by
Centurion2000
(We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
To: Trust but Verify
When you're coming into Rosendale on 23 from the east (Rosendale is just east of Ripon), you're coming down a small hill. The speed drops from 55 to 35 in a heartbeat. If you're not doing 35 or under when you hit the sign, the cop in the unmarked cop car sitting at the hardware store parking lot on the left side (coming into town) joyfully turns on his lights & siren, saying, "Got me another one!" and whips out his ticket book. I saw it happen in front of me the 1st time I was on the road & slammed my brakes on hard, just in case there was another officer around. From then on, I reduced my speed to 28 about a 1/2 a mile from the sign. If I got honked at, I didn't care. I've never gotten a ticket.
His favorite cars: red ones. They just *LOOK* fast.
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posted on
07/15/2003 12:11:08 PM PDT
by
Catspaw
To: Trust but Verify
does wisconsin do a "with hold of adjucation" where you pay the court costs (same amount as fine) but there are no points on you license?
(the speedometer trick does not work anymore)
To: BrooklynGOP
It might be a hard fight. We'll pull over people in groups in spots like that just because the locations are marked clearly, making testimony in court easier.
You may get lucky though if the cop is a new guy like me. The testimony we have to present is like a little complicated dance ("I was approx. 50 feet from the corner, traffic was moderate heading southbound, the traffic control devices were functioning and hanging approx. 30 ft. from the ground, etc."), and we're not as good at doing it as the more experienced officers. If the cop is from the Highway unit you're really in trouble. I saw one of them beat 6 guys in a row at court a while ago.
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posted on
07/15/2003 12:14:20 PM PDT
by
newwahoo
To: Trust but Verify
all municipalities are using traffic and parking fines to fill their budget gaps these days. Not in Ohio. The state govt. (republican gov. and legislature) is cracking down on speed traps. In the infamous South Bloomfield speed trap, you used to have the lights timed so it was impossible to get through without hitting a light. Now, the lights are timed to help you through and while there used to be a cop there 24/7, now I rarely see one.
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posted on
07/15/2003 12:15:11 PM PDT
by
staytrue
To: Catspaw
I wish I had the ticket with me. I think the ticket was on Hy 23 or just before he got to Hy 23. To me, what they're doing is unconscionable. To increase they're revenue, they're making people pay a terrible price in increased insurance costs.
To: mvpel
He is. He is a self appointed guardian of the roads and enforcer of all laws, written and unwritten. If he weren't a godless atheist, he'd be a saint. Ask him. He'll tell you.
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posted on
07/15/2003 12:16:43 PM PDT
by
Badray
(Molon Labe!)
To: BrooklynGOP
You should fight it! My husband got stopped once because the officer thought he didn't have his seatbelt on. After trying to get him to admit it, he wrote him up for "failure to keep right." He fought it and won (cop did not show up to court).
Regardless, it really makes the average Joe angry when police officers want respect from people and run around writing up bogus tickets to fill their quota for the month.
34
posted on
07/15/2003 12:16:45 PM PDT
by
Gerish
To: Centurion2000
"Hmmm .. so the police are the lions culling out members of the 'herd' ?"
A red car weaving past others and cutting back and forth across lanes, sometimes two at a time, does tend to stick out. Chances are the driver also deserves the summons.
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posted on
07/15/2003 12:17:08 PM PDT
by
newwahoo
To: mvpel
I used to prosecute traffic tickets for the Los Angeles City Attorney. While it's true that cop no-shows got a large percentage dismissed on the spot, the conviction rate was very high, usually without any reduction in the violation. I'd say it was over 90%.
However, the judge would invariably find one person not guilty for no apparent reason at all. I had proved all the elements of the violation, so I guess he just did it for fun.
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posted on
07/15/2003 12:17:42 PM PDT
by
Dog Gone
To: steveegg
I'll bet that he has court duty that day. Oh, I'll bet he does, too.
To: Trust but Verify
$75 for 14 over? That's odd (of course, I'm not speaking from a lot of personal experience; other than the 1 ticket and 1 warning, I know how to drive so as to avoid attention).
I can't stress enough that not all of Wisconsin's courts offer the "deal of the day". It doesn't hurt to find out, though; and if they don't, you can always hope the officer doesn't show up.
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posted on
07/15/2003 12:20:47 PM PDT
by
steveegg
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To: newwahoo
Well, this is how it happened. I just merged from Cross Island onto Grand Central and the traffic there is always heavy so they were basically walking between the cars and they pulled me out of the right lane. I am going to ask him what the distance was between my car and him when he allegedly observed me driving on the shoulder and if he could clearly see me. I mean, if there was good visibility between us and he was like 100 feet away, why would I be driving on the shoulder when there were 2-3 cars police cars *on* the shoulder? What do you think?
To: newwahoo
If the cop is from the Highway unit you're really in trouble. I saw one of them beat 6 guys in a row at court a while ago.I've seen members of the Wisconsin State Patrol in court. They're gooood.
The area in question is patrolled by the various municipalities (usually very small departments)--and the county sheriff's department inbetween. In Wisconsin, the State Patrol is rarely off the main highways. In this part of Wisconsin, that's Hwy. 41 & I-43.
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posted on
07/15/2003 12:23:55 PM PDT
by
Catspaw
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