Here is what the acolytes of solar power don't want you to know...

self | July 15, 2003 | Boot Hill

[biblewonk]

It sure reminds me of trying to tell people about Jesus, which is what I should probably be doing anyway.

[SierraWasp]

Forget the link in #244! Here's the link to the HOME PAGE for SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT INTERNATIONAL instead of just the little windy article!!! The original Reverend Algore/Ted Kazinsky/UN Agenda21/Death to America over Globular temperature/Kyoto/Green Facism Website

I just KNEW this was this EU crappola was comin frum!!!

[SierraWasp]

Forget it. Thanks anyway. I don't need it now.

These two nuts just pulled their own covers!!! They'll soon move on to some other site full of actual suckerfish!!!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Referring to the link posted by biblewonk at #234.

Who ever heard of a NEWS item with no date!

Did I miss it?

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Sorry I couldn't find it!

[BOBTHENAILER]

I give. My suggestion to the solar and wind advocates that they invest their entire life savings and all future free cash in solar and wind companies in order to become incredibly wealthy, thereby enabling them to fund FreeRepublic on their own.

I further suggest that they fill their cars up with wind and solar fuel, so as to drive to the bank and collect all that money they will be rolling in.

When they choose to fly off to some exotic island to enjoy their well earned vacation, I hear that the latest solar and wind powered planes are most comfortable.

If either live in a state which gets a little cold in the winter, or one in which the sun doesn't shine 24 hrs a day, or the wind doesn't blow 24 hrs a day, well then, I'm certain they won't mind the inconvenience of freezing, or conversely, if living in a hot climate, won't mind sweating all day.

I also shudder to think of all the fossil fuel used to create electricity to power their computers to chat about a utopian future which will never come to pass.

[SierraWasp]

Another classic SLAAAAAAAM......... DUNK!!!

I'm headin for the showroom floor to buy another S... U... V!!! Woooooooooo Hoooooooooooo!!!

If somebody doesn't like that, dial 1-800-bite-me!

[newgeezer]

Sure, that's right. Windpower advocates think wind will one day replace all other power sources.

Thanks so much for your thoughtful (if intellectually dishonest) strawman.

[newgeezer]

I don't have the patience to deal with ... deliberate attempts to disrupt with pure unadulterated bull splat

(Since you seem to be hanging around) Your #205 is the best example of that kind of cr*p I've seen in a long time. When it comes to "deliberate attempts to disrupt with pure unadulterated bull splat," Chicken Little could take lessons from you. (I really enjoyed watching all the big guns answer your call, too. ;O)

Bye.

Apparently, "Bye" doesn't mean you're going away. In your case, it means you're shifting to talking about FReepers instead of to them. Then, your comments don't appear on their My Comments page. That's a truly effeminate and cowardly way to function around here.

I, too, used to think windpower was utterly stupid. But, the more I learned about it, the more I liked it. You seem to dislike it simply because you're afraid someone might mistake you for a "greenie" or going "soft" if you so much as show any interest. Me? I couldn't care less what anyone thinks (much less those who are willfully ignorant). I'll form my own opinion, and it's always subject to newer and better data.

But, if insecurity is your enemy, ignorance is your best friend. You don't know sh*t about windpower, and you refuse to learn. You're not the least bit interested in facts. Have a blast in your own little Flat Earth Society.

[newgeezer]

The Audibon Society calls them the "Cusinarts of the air" because of the high rate of bird kills

And, we all know the Audubon Society is never wrong.

Are turbines a bird hazard?
Des Moines Register ^ | 04/18/2003 | PERRY BEEMAN

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

I already have mine, I think I need to go out and cruise down the beach aways!

I am missing some things in my Fridge!

[farmfriend]

You two should know better than to push that UN crap here. Talk about spitting into the wind.

Why don't you guys read something really worth reading and learn what that UN sustainable socialism is doing to our environment. If you are truely serious about what you believe, you will take the time to learn about the better way.

Natural Process.net</a

[autoresponder]

a musical medley of myths

There have been a number of network TV shows explaining the high costs and maintenance costs of windmill farms.

They don't get erected for peanuts and there is that silly requirement that there also has to be that "wind thing" to be at the site.

The Greenies out in California got the wind power generators banned because they were slicing and dicing the little birdies.

The Kennedy Compound and ol' Walt Conkrite got them banned in the Atlantic as it was unsightly from their plush seaside homes.

You cannot put then mountaintops or skyscrapers because the libs and Enviro-Nutzies say the will be a blight upon our beautiful blue skies.

Now if we could just Monica Lewinsky to design a new "beanie spinner cap" for Mr. Bill and all the Greenies and libs and hook them all up to the grid.......

A U T O R E S P O N D E R

[Boot Hill]

I'll grant you that, despite having relatively high levels of THD, the inverter models you both referenced are in the 90% efficiency range and are qualified to be connected to the utility grid as synchronous inverters. However, that changes this thread premise and conclusions by "mouse nuts".

--Boot Hill

[Boot Hill]

kezekiel claims:   "Well, there's where you said it."

That's crazy! The phrase you are referring to is addressing the overall, real-world, cost per watt (which is $25/watt for the example cited) and not the results of some contrived laboratory test where they use artificially high levels of solar intensity and artificially cooled PV cells. Get real!

kezekiel claims:   "I find it odd that I am being asked to do your own research for you.."

You made the claim that large PV arrays had been built for under $6/watt, you document it. What's so odd about that?

--Boot Hill

[autoresponder]

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The Ancient Mariner
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[BOBTHENAILER]

Thanks so much for your thoughtful (if intellectually dishonest) strawman.

You're quite welcome. I'm always handy with a "breezy" reply.

[autoresponder]

NEWSFLASH:

Today the Clintons and the Gores have invested all of their assets in solar and wind power.

They advise everyone in the world to follow their example immediately

Investment opportunities are now available at:

Susan McDougall Perpetual Motion Machine Corp.

Little Crock, Arkansas

[BOBTHENAILER]

Great tune.

[meatloaf]

I was wondering about biodiesel and the costs. A diesel will burn straight vegetable oil. BTDT. Based on a study done at MIT in the 40's vegetable oils have a higher btu content than diesel.

Before you run out and trade for a Ford F-350 dually though, check the price of a gallon of vegetable oil.