THAT URANIUM STORY

NRO ^ | 7/14/2003 | David Frum

[Matchett-PI]

I hope you don't mind, but I'll hop out of your boat now. I don't waste my time riding more than than one or two circular laps with one-armed-boat-rowers.

For those in Rio-Linda --- that means that I never attempt to reason someone out of beliefs that they didn't first reason themselves into.

For those in Palm Beach County --- that means that it isn't possible to use reason with the emotionally immature who aren't able to deal with big picture reality.

[Neets]

I think I heard OWK calling in to Sean Hannity show on my way home before.

You know the typical beginning? "I am a republican and voted for Bush BUT,"...yada yada yada.(you know the typical talking point rhetoric)

Then he went on to call the President a "Liar"...(regarding Iraq) and when Sean countered him to prove when and where the President "lied"..he backtracked and said ok, maybe liar was too strong so he changed it to "manufacturing"...so now the talking point is that Bush and his entire administration have manufactured the argument and evidence for going to war in Iraq.

[joesbucks]

We applauded the democrats who came here and agreed with us bout Clinton. They did it on principal, not under some sort of label or name. We used them as an example. Christopher Hitchens is a good case in point. The guy is a lib through and through. Yet he and his comments were welcome here cause he often shined light on Clinton. If OWK does the same with GWB and GWB is agreeing to, promoting things or doing something that is not seen as traditionally conservative, then it needs pointed out. Whether or not the DU likes it or not is their business.

[OWK]

I think I heard OWK calling in to Sean Hannity show on my way home before.

But as usual... you were wrong.

[Refinersfire]

"big picture reality"

Or more likely it is, you perfer a slow and painful death by a thousand needles then standing for something... where it means you have to yell "enough" at some point... instead of saying "well one more needle won't hurt me, because it's not as big as the other guy's needle"..

[Howlin]

Are you sure he didn't call him a "lair?"

[Area51]

Oh I think there are several on this site pretty high up that have used those words directed at George W. Bush!

Want quotes?

[Howlin]

Go ahead, post them. Be sure to ping Jim though.

[Area51]

Especially for you.

"So, it doesn't matter if he [Bush] snorted coke as a youth? It was a long time ago, a youthful in-discretion? Kinda like people who frequented sneakeasies during prohibition? Kind of a cute story, eh?
Well, how about all the people whose lives have been destroyed by being arrested for the felony of drug possession? What about the millions of people who are rotting away in your filthy drug infested prisons at this very moment? Well, by God, if you people insist on electing another cokehead as President, you damned well better throw open all the prison cell doors and free every man, woman, and child you're holding on drug charges.

And if you're gonna elect another drug felon as President, you'd better rescind each and every one of your unconstitutional drug laws now on the books, including all of your unconstitutional search and seizure laws, and your asset forfeiture laws, and your laws that enable your unconstitutional snooping into our bank accounts and cash transactions.

Well, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

You people are sick! Conservatives my ass.

You people are nothing but a bunch of non-thinking hypocrits!

You're a shame and a disgrace to the Republic!

And, I, for one, am tired of taking orders from cokeheads and felons! Elect another one and I'll tell you what.

I'll be ready for war!

It'll be time to take up arms and run the filthy lying bastards out!

2 Posted on 08/20/1999 03:19:31 PDT by Jim Robinson

[Area51]

Here's another that may apply also: You really don't understand a lot of what is going on around here do you?

You think todays little teapot tempest is about Bush or the GOP?
-- Get real. Its about a neo-coven at FR trying to control what they view to be the agenda here.

Feel free to correct me, but I hope this is still FR's agenda:

"Free Republic is a place for people to discuss our common goals regarding the restoration of our constitutionally limited republican form of government. If people have other agendas for FR, I really wish they would take them elsewhere."

Thanks, Jim
226 posted on 2/7/02 4:01 PM Pacific by Jim Robinson

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

I think the comparison is a poor one.

Democrats like Hitchens who openly complained about Clinton were typically acknowledging that he is an individual of poor character. Some people who agreed with Clinton on policy were honest enough to admit that he is a bad person, and yes, that should be applauded by conservatives.

This stuff is purely political, and I'm sorry, but I have no appreciation for "conservatives" whose mission it seems to be to make arguments for Democrats, and who cannot give President Bush the benefit of the doubt on anything.

If you aren't alarmed by it, that's certainly your prerogative - but if my posts suddenly started turning up on D.U. and were being applauded, I believe I'd do a little soul-searching.

[Howlin]

I see you weren't honest enough to ping Jim Robinson to that post, were you.

Tells me all I need to know about you.

You really don't understand a lot of what is going on around here do you?

I know enough to ping the people I'm trying to trash.

[Howlin]

You sound jealous? Not getting any?

[joesbucks]

You're lock step in protecting something that shouldn't in all cases be protected. And I keep going back to the point of if GWB was a democrat and held to the same policies and actions that he has exhibited thus far, both of you would be all over him like flies on stink. But since he's a republican, then he gets a pass. I find that troubling.

How to make a case of when GWB is in error on this forum is a challenge. I don't want to see him trashed any more than you, but if he is the cause of erosion of conservative ideals, then it needs to be recognized. Constructively.

And yes, I do believe for security he is better than Gore would have been. I am concerned over the WMD issues and the Al-Queda links that haven't panned out.

[joesbucks]

If you aren't alarmed by it, that's certainly your prerogative - but if my posts suddenly started turning up on D.U. and were being applauded, I believe I'd do a little soul-searching.

DU is nothing more than a mutual admiratioon society. Anyting they do, say or react upon is meaningless.

[Howlin]

I find it troubling that you insist on putting words in my mouth and assume what I do and do not agree with. I criticize Republicans ALL the time when I BELIEVE they are doing wrong; I don't do it to satisfy somebody else and take some kind of test to satisfy the rest of you.

I criticized Bill Clinton because he was a sleazeball and made a mockery of the laws in this country. Until George W. Bush does something remotely close to the trashing that man gave to the legal system in this country, don't you DARE insinuate I'm two faced about it. They don't even come close to comparing.

[Jorge]

Hey, I'm not the one having to make up ridiculous fairy tales to explain why the administration was so dead bang sure he had an ACTIVE WMD programme and ACTUAL WMD just a couple of months ago and no can't prove when or where they are now.

Not only the administration, it was the UN and intelligence agencies of Russia, Germany, China, the UK and even France.

Note that numerous countries who were against the war agreed that Saddam had a WMD program.

It was also the majority of Democrats who believed Saddam's WMD programs were enough of a threat to authorize military action. Even many who are now hypocritically changing their tune for political reasons.

So the idea that people are now pointing the finger at Bush about this is disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.