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Niger Intel Accurate (Brits: "no reason at all to change our assessment.")
The Daily Telegraph ^ | 14/07/2003 | Michael Smith

Posted on 07/14/2003 7:05:02 PM PDT by Pubbie

The French secret service is believed to have refused to allow MI6 to give the Americans "credible" intelligence showing that Iraq was trying to buy uranium ore from Niger, US intelligence sources said yesterday.

MI6 had more than one "different and credible" piece of intelligence to show that Iraq was attempting to buy the ore, known as yellowcake, British officials insisted. But it was given to them by at least one and possibly two intelligence services and, under the rules governing cooperation, it could not be shared with anyone else without the originator's permission.

US intelligence sources believe that the most likely source of the MI6 intelligence was the French secret service, the DGSE. Niger is a former French colony and its uranium mines are run by a French company that comes under the control of the French Atomic Energy Commission.

A further factor in the refusal to hand over the information might have been concern that the US administration's willingness to publicise intelligence might lead to sources being inadvertently disclosed.

US sources also point out that the French government was vehemently opposed to the war with Iraq and so suggest that it would have been instinctively against the idea of passing on the intelligence.

British sources yesterday dismissed suggestions of a row between MI6 and the CIA on the issue. However, they admitted being surprised that George Tenet, the CIA director, had apologised to President George W Bush for allowing him to cite the British government and its claim that Saddam had sought to acquire uranium from Africa in his State of the Union speech last October.

The apology follows the International Atomic Energy Authority's dismissal of documents given to it by the CIA, which purported to prove the link, as fakes.

Those documents have been widely identified with last September's British dossier on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, which said Saddam Hussein was trying to buy uranium ore from an unnamed country in Africa.

British officials admitted that the country was Niger but insisted that the intelligence behind it was genuine and had nothing to do with the fake documents. It was convincing and they were sticking with it, the officials said.

They dismissed a report from a former US diplomat who was sent to Niger to investigate the claims and rejected them. "He seems to have asked a few people if it was true and when they said 'no' he accepted it all," one official said. "We see no reason at all to change our assessment."

The fake documents were not behind that assessment and were not seen by MI6 until after they were denounced by the IAEA. If MI6 had seen them earlier, it would have immediately advised the Americans that they were fakes.

There had been a number of reports in America in particular suggesting that the fake documents - which came from another intelligence source - were passed on via MI6, the officials said. But this was not true.

"What they can't accuse MI6 of doing is passing anything on this to the CIA because it didn't have the fake documents and it was not allowed to pass on the intelligence it did have to anyone else."


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KEYWORDS: bushdoctrineunfold; iaea; iraq; mi6; niger; warlist; wmd
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To: nopardons
Just read it. Interesting but highly convenient. When Condi Rice or Rumsfeld goes on the Russurt show to state that this is what they believed happened- I will buy it.
121 posted on 07/15/2003 4:48:51 PM PDT by Burkeman1 (If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.)
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To: MJY1288
You know what I find so troubling about this story is that the media is still trotting out the already debunked story that Dick Cheney's office sent Joe Wilson to Niger, they still say that the forged document came from the brits, they still say Bush had Joe Wilson's report before the SOTU speech, and they still say that the only intel we had on Saddam's attempt to purchase Uranium from Niger was the forged document. There needs to be a news conference by Bush Tenet and Powell and set the record straight and expose the RATS for what they are

If Dck Cheney didn't send Joe Wison, who did? Can you post your fabulous statements from above and give the TRUE answers? I'm still in the process of moving, and haven't been able to keep up with this story.

122 posted on 07/15/2003 5:04:30 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: MJY1288; Jim Robinson
I feel sure that Jim Robinson woud allow you to have a separate thread for you to post all of your information on Joe Wilson and wife and whoever else is involved in this story to expose him for all the world to read. I, for one, thought he really was sent by Cheney, but you say no. I would love to see the whole story debunked with your info......thanks.
123 posted on 07/15/2003 5:11:35 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: PhilDragoo
So Mrs. Wilson works for TENET???? Is Tenet a traitor....fifth columnist??? Or just a Clinton dirt-bag??
124 posted on 07/15/2003 5:22:41 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: Ann Archy
From everything I have read, Dick Cheney asked the CIA to look into the Niger Intel, Joe Wilson was not asked directly.

Then somehow Joseph Wilson was sent to Niger appearantly by the recommendation of his wife "the former Valerie Plame"

Joseph Wilson spent 8 days in Niger and asked some officials about the claim and they all denied it

Wilson came back and gave an oral report to the CIA which they dismissed as not conclusive either way because of course the Niger Officials would deny any claims of illegal Uranium sales to Iraq.

Joe Wilson did all of this back in 2002 and has never made mention of his trip to Niger or his findings in any public speech after that until he published the OP-ED in NYT's.

Some sources are saying that the forged Uranium documents were given to us by Italy (which today they deny) to the State Department and ended up in a U.N. report from the State Department.

The Brittish said they don't care about the forged documents, they have their own Intel from three different sources that backs their claim, but Jack Straw said they can't share the intel with the U.S. "For Good Reasons" (read Jack Straws report)

President Bush tried to use the Brits Intel in a speech in Cincinatti last October and George Tenet suggested that he shouldn't use the "Yellow Cake" claim by the Brits in his speech because of the detail of the claim and because the Brits were not sharing the Intel to back it up.

When the SOTU was being put together they wanted to point out the story of the Yellow Cake Uranium and once again George Tenet struck it down and approved the more vague way it was written in the SOTU speech.

Hind sight is 20/20 and the President had Ari Fleischer send a retraction to the NYT's and the Washington Post just before he left for Africa and in it they explained that they believed what President Bush was factually correct, but the 16 word sentence did not rise to the level of a SOTU speech because the info was second hand.

My guess is that they got word of the coming attack by the Democrats and Joseph Wilson's OP-Ed and wanted to get out in front of it. I think that was a mistake, anytime you admit a mistake it's a sign of weakness, President Bush should have stood his ground and said he was just referencing the Brittish Intel and the forged document was just one piece of the puzzle.

I hope that will help, I think I have the timeline pretty close and the facts are as I know them. I have done extensive searches and read everything I have found at least 3 times, but I'm sure I must have missed a few things since I'm wingin it here :-)

125 posted on 07/15/2003 5:34:33 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Joseph Wilson is a fraud and the whole world needs to know it)
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To: Ann Archy
Wilson never worked for the CIA, he was a Carter Appointee and spent 25 years in the State Department including working for Al Gore, He now runs a Pro Saudi, Pro Palestinian Foundation
126 posted on 07/15/2003 5:39:21 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Joseph Wilson is a fraud and the whole world needs to know it)
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To: Ann Archy
Here is a great thread to read up on all you missed

Joe Wilson and Niger

127 posted on 07/15/2003 5:42:05 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Joseph Wilson is a fraud and the whole world needs to know it)
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To: MJY1288
THANKS!! I still think THAT post should have a separate thread and be in the Sidebar. What if Jack Straw's "Good Reasons" for not sharig the Intel is that they KNOW that Tenet is the bad guy??? Giving George Bush FALSE informaton???

If Saddam is still alive it's because Tenet gave W the info that he was in that restaurant that night.....I wouldn't trust ANY Democrat now...Wilson, Tenet, Plame, or any of the nine dwarfs.

128 posted on 07/15/2003 5:46:43 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: Ann Archy
There has been speculation on what Jack Straw meant by that, Some are saying that it was because it came from the French and that's logical considering that the French manage the Uranium mines in Niger.

I wonder if it wasn't because we have a mole in the CIA and the Brits were warned about it, and told not to share their info with us. Someone has been leaking stuff to the press from the CIA and I can't help but think it's Joseph Wilson through his wife

129 posted on 07/15/2003 5:52:42 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Joseph Wilson is a fraud and the whole world needs to know it)
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To: Ann Archy
Tenet doesn't exactly have a sterling record when it comes to Targeted Bombing does he :-)

Lets see, An Aspirin Factory, Chinese Embassy, 2 failed attemts on Saddam, 1 on Chemical Ali and lord knows how many in Afghanistan

130 posted on 07/15/2003 5:55:35 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Joseph Wilson is a fraud and the whole world needs to know it)
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Fwiw, Instapundit has a link up to this tidbit of information in an April 10th WP article.

Western intelligence officials outlined the key developments in interviews here yesterday, even as Iraqis in Baghdad and Basra, finally feeling free of Saddam Hussein's 25-year reign, were cheering U.S. and British troops as liberators. Among the crucial factors the intelligence officials cited in explaining the remarkable 21-day path to the regime's seeming demise:

(clip)...article continues to quote Intelligence officials with the final paragraph stating:

The intelligence officials offered a tantalizing coda for conspiracy-mongers. They said the "crude forgery" received by U.N. weapons inspectors suggesting the Iraqis were trying to buy uranium from Niger as part of their nuclear program was originally put in intelligence channels by France. The officials wouldn't speculate on French motives.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A1514-2003Apr9&notFound=true

131 posted on 07/15/2003 6:54:16 PM PDT by Gorilla44
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To: concerned about politics
Yeh, because the French control the Niger mine. Sheesh. That simple fact and all that it implies has somehow not made its way into the American press.
132 posted on 07/15/2003 7:29:02 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Burkeman1
It's not really all that convenient. This is what has been stated from the beginning. You just may see Condi & Rummy sooner than you imagine. LOL
133 posted on 07/15/2003 7:29:57 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
I doubt it highly. They would never have asked Tenent to bend over like that if they thought they were on solid ground.
134 posted on 07/15/2003 7:31:29 PM PDT by Burkeman1 (If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.)
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To: bvw
You're the one who is paranoid and have a few other substancial mental problems as well. This type of personal attack, followed by a weasel diatribe, in teeny, almost unreadable post script, proves just how tortured you are.

But then your vile posts are gibberish, tainted by all kinds of this childish, irrational codswallop.:-)

135 posted on 07/15/2003 7:40:46 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: MJY1288
There needs to be a news conference by Bush Tenet and Powell and set the record straight and expose the RATS for what they are.

I disagree. Everyone should shut up and ride this one out. When asked about the issue the Bush Administration officials should say the march to war was based on a mountain of evidence that reasonable men and women in many nations pointed to a reasonable conclusion that Iraq was pursuing a WMD program. End of statement. No elaboration. Next question.

The next news conference needs to be proof positive, slam dunk, we found the evidence for the WMD. If they cannot produce this in the next 12 months they will pay a political price, whether they deserve it or not.

136 posted on 07/15/2003 7:53:13 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush
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To: Tennessean4Bush
You make a good point, GWb has always stayed above the frey on these cheap partisen attacks, and I guess this one should be treated the same

I concur, Calmer heads prevail

137 posted on 07/15/2003 7:56:28 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Joseph Wilson is a fraud and the whole world needs to know it)
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To: Burkeman1
Barbra Striesand !

But...perhaps the truth will out soon.

138 posted on 07/15/2003 8:17:56 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: George W. Bush
President Bush doesn't owe the British an apology. If anything the haters should be apologizing to the President. BTW,he isn't "Junior"! What an insult to call the President of the U.S. "Junior"! Truly pathetic!
139 posted on 07/15/2003 8:47:45 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice 2004)
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To: George W. Bush
But if Clinton had done these things, all the Bushbots would be talking armed insurrection.

You just exposed your true sentiments. Bush Hater = Clinton Lover.

If the British have proof that Saddam was trying to buy uranium from Niger, they need to put up or shut up. THEIR intelligence people have left OUR president out on a limb so that they can preserve relations with their friends, the French. With friends like the Brits...

BTW, change your handle. You don't deserve our president's name.

140 posted on 07/16/2003 10:29:02 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne
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